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Subject:

Faith and the senses

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donald hart <[log in to unmask]>

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Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:34:31 -0400

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Perhaps what is required is not a scene from the Bible, but a precept from 
the Bible in which faith is given precedence over the senses. Here it is: 
"for we walk by faith, not by sight" (2 Co 5:7). It's not that our hero 
fails to follow the example; he fails to follow the precept.

Re: "The question is, faith in what, besides the senses?" Well, he ought to 
have had faith in Una, or in whatever Spenser means Una to represent.

I have two discovered two particularly powerful online tools for helping me 
to search the Bible:
1) http://www.searchgodsword.org/
2) http://bible.cc/
I would encourage everyone on the list to explore these sights, or at least 
bookmark them. They have served me very well.

Yours,

Hart




>From: "James C. Nohrnberg" <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: Sidney-Spenser Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: seeing/believing::blindness/incredulity
>Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:37:20 -0400
>
>On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:28:05 -0700
>  "James W. Broaddus" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>If I don't make myself clear this time, I promise to quit!
>>
>>Andy Fleck responded:
>>
>>Just to make sure I'm on the same page, you're trying to find an example 
>>of
>>a biblical scene in which the senses tell an individual that one thing is
>>before him/her while faith tells the person that something else entirely
>>is before him/her. Correct?
>>
>>Well, not really.
>>
>>I would like to know if there is a biblical scene in which the senses tell
>>an individual that one thing is before him/her, but that if his/her faith
>>were firm he/she would refuse to believe that which is presented to 
>>him/her
>>by his/her senses.
>>
>>Critics typically hold Redcrosse up to such a standard when his senses 
>>tell
>>him that Una and a lusty Squire are in bed together. That is, as Genevieve
>>Guenther noted, a very high standard.
>>
>>Jim Broaddus
>
>The question is, faith in what, besides the senses?  -- Esp. the abusions 
>of the sense of sight ("Don't believe anything you hear, and only half of 
>what you see.").  Negative instances of blindness to what's there, if such 
>instances count, are the incorrigible Sodomites in Gen. 19:10-11, the 
>corrigible Balaam in Numbers 22, and the corrigible Elisha's servant et al. 
>in 2 Kings 6:15ff.  In the latter cases faith is created, rather than 
>firmed up, in the course of the story.
>
>Nearly irrelevant footnote on the transformation of the senses by the art 
>which has replaced faith in this function:
>
>...Here's a man that couldn't walk
>Come back from God, or the dead:  by the bands
>His pallet's lowered through the roof, and lo, he looketh up,
>And behold, the opening of his tomb:  Mark Two.
>
>	-- Wisdom, less innocent by degrees, might brave it still,
>Pointing out the man born blind:  he began to see
>He couldn't see inside the very Synagogue
>He'd been circumciséd in, churched and salted
>—And she his mother.  The Ninth of John.
>
>  	-- Sensibilities and the senses
>Also have their gospel, claims upon
>Whatever art might save them from
>Their own captivity.  The art itself indicts,
>"'I am the resurrection, and the life' -- it is I,
>  	Who raiseth dead perception, I the German graver
>	Study optic like a faithful scribe, and fix the quickened creature
>	With the creature’s own, naked, sidelong eye:  it is I
>	Have made you see;
>
>	I the storming rising Grecian
>	Diva, frightened and excited, melt mutes from passages
>	Egyptian balmers' mud hath stopped:  it is I
>	Have let you hear;
>
>	I the carver Florentine, disfigured, broken-hearted,
>	Anatomize the slab and tablet, the flaw divine,
>	Divide the mass, secure and poise it:  it is I
>	Have made thy fragile strong and whole again;
>  	I the Russian dancer, despite my splinted shins,
>	And a partner's crazed and numbing toes,
>	Reach the dying swan in time:  it is I
>	That let you find, interiorly, thine own
>
>	Endangered balance, and unto you I say,
>	‘Rise and walk, cast off your dark and pent,
>Your halt and dumb and weak:  your crippling
>Is forgiven:  disfiguration, stupor, bonds.'"
>
>
>[log in to unmask]
>James Nohrnberg
>Dept. of English, Bryan Hall 219
>Univ. of Virginia
>P.O Box 400121
>Charlottesville, VA 22904-4121

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