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Re: Use of Periods [No Viruses detected]

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David Evans <[log in to unmask]>

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Issues related to Sites & Monuments Records <[log in to unmask]>

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Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:17:23 +0100

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I agree completely, you make my point better than I did. Post medieval
is extremely valuable. 


Thank You
 
David Evans
Historic Environment Record Officer
Planning & Environment
South Gloucestershire Council
Kingswood
BS15 9TR
 
01454 863649

-----Original Message-----
From: Issues related to Sites & Monuments Records
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of MacLean, Sarah
Sent: 26 August 2005 10:12
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Use of Periods [No Viruses detected]

This is all beginning to be a bit confusing. Yes I can see the value of
using centuries from about 1500 onwards. My question is, do we still use
post medieval as well though? I find it very useful for the first
edition OS sites we're starting to list that are very likely to be post
medieval but that we can't put a more accurate date on than that. 

Best wishes

Sarah

Sarah MacLean
Historic Records Officer
Conservation Team
Community and Enivronmental Services
Northumberland County Council
County Hall
Morpeth NE61 2EF
 
Telephone: 01670 534060
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-----Original Message-----
From: Issues related to Sites & Monuments Records
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Evans
Sent: 26 August 2005 09:28
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Use of Periods [No Viruses detected]

So how are centuries any less interpretive than terms such as Bronze
Age?
I will wait for the request for information on sites dating from the
second half of the first century until sometime in the fourth!
I accept that post medieval is difficult for the C19 but is Victorian
any better, Victorian Clifton Suspension Bridge, which it isn't!.
I will keep modern, after all in the post modern period whoever is
running the HERs can change it!
I am going to use the terms pre Hwiccan and Hwiccan for the period up to
AD 650 and after because seventh century is a nonsense! 


Thank You
 
David Evans
Historic Environment Record Officer
Planning & Environment
South Gloucestershire Council
Kingswood
BS15 9TR
 
01454 863649

-----Original Message-----
From: Issues related to Sites & Monuments Records
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Iles, Peter
Sent: 26 August 2005 08:46
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Use of Periods

Can I add a word of support to Sarah and others, - lets use the century
method as a standard and use the 'named period' in the interpretation
where it belongs.

p.s. Kudos for Sarah's dedication to the forum, replying from hols in
Italy!

Peter Iles
Specialist Advisor (Archaeology)
Lancashire County Council Environment Directorate PO Box 9 Guild House
Cross Street Preston
PR1 8RD

T 01772 531550
F 01772 533423
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-----Original Message-----
From: Poppy Sarah [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 25 August 2005 18:40
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: R: Use of Periods


Dear Martin et al
 
Sorry if this is yesterdays discussion but here is my pennies worth...
 
I would agree with Julia, and say I prefer for indexing by century for
the medieval and post-medieval periods (plus using WWI and WWII
accordingly), which seem much less value laden, whilst using Medieval
and Post-Medieval where remains can be less closely dated.  However, do
we need to opt for one or the other?  An information retrieval system
should be able to handle both together - so while 19th century may be
more appropriate for archaeological remains, and Victorian would be more
appropriate for built heritage, a query searching for heritage
information relating to the period 1800-1900 would retrieve both as
being of potential relevance, without losing the ability to query only
Victorian etc.
 
I do agree with abandoning Modern in favour of 20th and 21st century. 
 
All the best
Sarah

________________________________

Da: Issues related to Sites & Monuments Records per conto di NEWMAN,
Martin
Inviato: mar 23/08/2005 13.20
A: [log in to unmask]
Oggetto: Use of Periods



The DSU has recently made some changes to the PERIODS hierarchy used by
the NMRs AMIE system (see below). We are now consulting with system
users here before making changes to records. We would also like to
consult other users of the PERIODS hierarchy especially HERs using our
reference data (e.g.
those using HBSMR). If your PERIOD list is brought into line with that
at the NMR then the issues we are consulting NMR users over will be of
equal relevance.

 

Regards

 

Martin

 

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Martin Newman

Datasets Development Manager

 

 

 

AMIE Period Change

 

Recent changes to AMIE have seen the replacement of the MODERN period
with the two periods 20TH CENTURY and 21ST CENTURY.

 

Additional regal periods of TUDOR, ELIZABETHAN, STUART, JACOBEAN,
HANOVERIAN, GEORGIAN and VICTORIAN have also been added (or in the case
of VICTORIAN been in existence for some time but not used).

 

DSU would welcome comments on how periods should be used/are being used
to record POST MEDIEVAL dates.

 

For instance there are c.173000 records in AMIE which are currently
identified as being POST MEDIEVAL in date. Of those over 36,000 have
min/max dates falling within the VICTORIAN period.

 

Where a monument is known to have been built after 1837 but before 1901
does it make sense to record this as VICTORIAN?

 

A similar number of records exist for the GEORGIAN period between 1714
and 1830.

 

Two questions need answering:

 

1.	Are users happy with using 20th and 21st Century instead of
MODERN? 
2.	Should POST MEDIEVAL records be updated to VICTORIAN/GEORGIAN
etc.
where the phase is a construction/alteration/repair phase? 

 

 

 

 

 

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