"everybody is right because are so flexible, so without definition probably because they cannot be framed in one line, one summary, or one concept. what is the differnce for getting infomation the last 3,000 years, instead of reading from rocks we have the interent.
BUT I am the one who backgrounds the unimportant information and suggests the important information, only me, and most of the tomes it depends on the social structures and limitations of myself I carry on me.."
This is spot on. To really grow in understanding we need to "unlearn" what we think we know. What I know can be a serious barrier to new and fresh learning.
I expect the real breakthroughs in e-learning to come from young adults working in games environments and not academia.
Of course there are dangers lurking - not least of which might relate to the ability of young people to make wise moral and ethical judgments but we all have that problem!
However, in the all encompassing virtual games world, we do need to reflect on what we are doing even if it is only pretend. Hand to eye coordination will be brilliant and I can kill anything that moves before it kills me.
I'm onto to virtual brain surgery now and next week I do for real!!!
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From: Virtual Learning Environments [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of niki lambropoulos
Sent: 08 March 2005 08:49
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Subject: Re: [VLES] How widespread is the use of the term (and the concept) of e-learning?
NOorman said that learning happens within the head of the individual. the socal aspect exists but the individual is the one who is responsible of his/her own learning wanted or not.
I know exactly what I am talking about, I can give references for every single line :) Piagetian Constructivism is often supposed to not have taken into account the interpersonal relations (Crook, 1994). However, in 1965 Piaget himself suggested, " cooperation ... eliminates the process ... of egocentric thought" (1995:208) since cooperation is defined as "... all relations between or more equal, or believed to be equal, individuals, that is to say, all social relations in which no element of authority or prestige is involved" (Piaget, 1995:200).
everybody is right because are so flexible, so without definition probably beacause they cannot be framed in one line, one summary, or one concept. what is the differnce for getting infomation the last 3,000 years, instead of reading from rocks we have the interent.
BUT I am the one who backgrounds the unimportant information and suggests the important information, only me, and most of the tomes it depends on the social structures and limitations of myself I carry on me..
cheers,
n
PS love flaming, since there is no oppositions when we have a common subject to talk about :)
--- Anita Pincas <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I see what you mean, Miguel. But language is open to interpretation,
> and I did not interpret Gianni's words as equating "constructivitist"
> with "individual based environment". I took the latter to be his way
> of saying what we in England would call "learner centred".
>
> I think if we were face to face instead of online, we would be able to
> reach agreement on various matters more easily.
>
> Anita
>
> At 19:30 07/03/2005, Miguel Nunes wrote:
> ><?xml version="1.0" ?>
> >Well ... I could not disagree more. That was one of
> the worst summaries I
> >have read in this list. It confuses a number of
> concepts and shows a
> >total misunderstanding of what contructivism is.
> Constructivism is
> >absolutely not about an "individual-based
> environment", but in fact about
> >"socio-cultural learning that combines
> collaborative and informal
> >learning". In fact, constructivism is based on the
> concept of real world
> >based social interaction and requires multi-faceted
> modes of learning. And
> >... by the way, it is not compatible with the
> objectivist notions of
> >learning that underpin Skinner's behaviourism. I
> think that before having
> >a go at the theorists you could at least have your
> facts right.
> >Miguel
> > > Another excellent summary, in my view. The
> problem with a lot of
> > > theorists is that they do 2desk jobs" on
> learners, without taking
> > > account of the real world, as Niki has pointed
> out. Anita
> > > At 07:28 07/03/2005, niki lambropoulos wrote:
> > > Hi Gianni,
> > >
> > > I think it depends on what you want. if you
> want a
> > > more constructivist, individual-based
> environemnt then
> > > you have the packages. if you have a more
> > > multi-faceted eniroenmnt with a combination
> ob both
> > > constructivist an d socio-cultural learning
> that
> > > combines collaborative and informal learning
> then ou
> > > have the content/packages and the
> > > forums/workshops/webinars etc.. of course
> the latter
> > > is the healthiest one since the human being
> is
> > > multifaceted and you cannot distinguish 'now
> I learn
> > > by observation', 'now I learn
> contstructivily' now I
> > > use Skinner etc.. In my opinion evertyghing
> is
> > > interrelated and happens all together
> naturally..
> > >
> > > Best
> > > niki
> > > Http://nikilambropoulos.org
>
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