Hi Trevor et al,
The Review Group responsible for formulating a plan to disband the
School of Continuing Education and Office of Part-time Education at
Leeds Uni were similarly "taken aback" by the "passion for learning"
etc of mature students who have fought this decision continuously since
February last year. Unfortunately, although we have won some
concessions, effectively part-time adult education at Leeds in the
future will only be a poor relation to that of its past. Many of us
work and can only study in the evenings. This provision is likely to be
severely reduced in the future.
The simple facts are that part-time education and adult education
doesn't earn Universities enough money and is expensive to administer
(or so they say). The contribution of such students is undervalued and
underplayed by some Universities. I just don't think we have the same
'kudos' as other types of students may have.
I originally started on a Cert HE in Archaeology but in order to
continue to degree level I had to take the Local and Regional History
BA, which I have to say I have enjoyed immensely and enabled me to
continue to study archaeology for contributing credits alongside. I
don't understand Exeter's policy at all. You only have to look around
message boards and fora such as the Time Team Forum to see there is a
demand for these types of courses but universities seem reluctant to
commit resources to them.
On 18 Feb 2005, at 15:20, Trevor Dunkerley wrote:
> Hi Both,
> I have to agree entirely with Rob and Peter.
> As another (very mature and over 60) part-time student and
> with University of Exeter, I have 'rubbed' shoulders with many
> students, and at times I am just taken aback and their lack of
> passion for learning, discipline, and even at times an apparent
> ability to
> read. They are equally taken aback at my commitment to read a wide
> range of
> material for a specific module, and my reading of up to 30 or 40 books
> complete an assignment horrifies them!
> I am also concerned that a university like Exeter will encourage you
> Level 1 & 2 archaeology, leading up to a diploma in archaeology, but
> stipulate that to complete your degree, this has to be done through
> Humanities modules. Until recently the degree could be completed
> reading History, which I would not have seen as a retrograde step - but
> The world has gone mad...
> Kindest regards,
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robinson, Peter" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 2:23 PM
> Subject: Re: What is an archaeologist?
>> Hi Rob,
>> I'd willingly back you up on 21 accounts - that of a lack of general
>> archaeological knowledge, and that of a cant be bothered attitude
>> reading anything extra by graduate and undergraduate students - the
>> when this filters into the profession is an all to frequent
>> level of practice and an appalling standard of work - a good recent
>> of this was a south east based archaeological unit who hadn't even
>> to read the desk based assessment for a site they were 5 days into
>> excavating (and wondered why they were struggling to understand what
>> going off on site and narrowly avoided disaster - thanks to my input -
>> having nearly machine dug a trench through a culverted section of the
>> they didn't even know was there). It got worse when two days later I
>> that they had only recorded in section the town ditch - having
>> through it (and claiming they couldn't see it) - and that was after me
>> showing them where it was on my first sight visit and even pointing
>> it out
>> on the stripped open area.
>> What is more infuriating is the attitude that some southern based
>> staff (individually) have to archaeology in the North - after
>> with them their tremendous incompetence - the answer I got back was
>> its not too serious, since most urban and rural sites in the North are
>> usually baron of finds - so I doubt we missed anything anyway!" - At
>> point I was ready to pick up a mattock and bury it in his skull!!!
>> For any
>> Southern archaeologists on the list who frequently undertake work in
>> North and particularly in my area I have one thing to say "If you
>> looking for finds you might find them!!! get rid of this bizarre
>> sites in the north are baron - it simply is not true, and is an
>> ignorant and dangerous (for the archaeological record)falicy to have
>> heads - get a grip and deal with sites in this area as you would down
>> Peter Robinson
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rob [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> Sent: 18 February 2005 13:46
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: What is an archaeologist?
>> As a part time student I have that option and I probably read more
>> most. Do full time under graduates get the chance to read more than
>> course allows? Do they bother to when they are on the breaks? I
>> answer there is not really. Hearing some of the newly qualified
>> speak one would be astounded at their lack of overall knowledge and
>> understanding yet these are our site supervisors and project
>> the future.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Charlie Stokes" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: What is an archaeologist?
>>> > In conclusion I would say that Local History should
>>> > have a place within the
>>> > archaeological courses but they should in my opinion
>>> > not concentrate on this
>>> > aspect but should concentrate on an unbiased degree
>>> > course so the graduate
>>> > as a much more balanced understanding of British
>>> > Archaeology
>>> Nobody said you couldn't do your own reading to fill
>>> in the gaps in your knowledge or further pursue
>>> specific interests!
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