Dear All,
Please find attached the weekly GridPP Project Management
Board Meeting minutes. The latest minutes can be found each week in:
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/php/pmb/minutes.php?latest
as well as being listed with other minutes at:
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/php/pmb/minutes.php
Cheers, Tony
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Tony Doyle, GridPP Project Leader Telephone: +44-141-330 5899
Rm 478, Kelvin Building Telefax: +44-141-330 5881
Dept of Physics and Astronomy EMail: [log in to unmask]
University of Glasgow Web: http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~doyle
G12 8QQ, UK Video - IP: 194.36.1.33
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GridPP PMB Minutes 192 - 7th November 2005
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Present: Dave Britton, Stephen Burke, John Gordon, Peter Clarke, Jeremy
Coles, Tony Doyle, Roger Jones, Dave Kelsey, Robin Middleton, Dave
Newbold & Tony Cass. Sarah Pearce by Gizmo
Apologies: Steve Lloyd
1. CHEP06 approval criteria
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RM had sent an email regarding costs for travel to Mumbai and said that
flights plus accommodation and conference fees would amount to between
1,000 and 1,500 per person. It was important that participation was
strictly prioritised to try to keep the costs down. Highest priority
would be to those organising sessions and presenting oral papers.
Presenting posters will be at a lower priority and in any case a maximum
of one presenter per paper/poster will be permitted. RM added that we
also have to consider an SC4 meeting which will be taking place around
the same time which will require some UK people to attend. RJ suggested
giving those interested in attending CHEP06 a budget to work within. A
deadline for those wishing to submit would be set imminently and RM would
send an email with information regarding the criteria to UKHEPGRID for
responses. (ACTION - done after the meeting).
2. T1-T2 and T1-T1 schedule/planning
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GridPP received a request from Les Robertson regarding proposed
milestones for LCG Phase-II in relation to Tier-2 sites. TD said we
should try to set up a schedule for testing to declare what we have in
the UK. JC said that some tests are already being carried out at the
moment. JG said we have to give examples of what we are doing. TD said
things needed to be tied together and discussion followed to decide the
best way to produce milestones. TD suggested JC consult Graeme Stewart &
Matt Hodges regarding milestones for the FTS and Jens Jensen and Greig
Cowan for those associated with the SRM implementations. RJ noted
that he would look at defining associated T1-T2 analysis milestones.
3. Quarterly reports review
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DB reported on the current status of the 05Q3 reports: The Tier-1
logbook had been received and a number of questions had been sent to
people to clarify details. The Tier-2 logbook had been received and is
fine. In the middleware area, DB was awaiting response from RM on
various questions. He had just started to look at the Experiments and
would contact Roger later this week. DB noted that the whole process of
quarterly reporting would have to be done quicker next time to prepare
for the OC in mid Feb.
4. AOB
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TD wished to discuss PYTHON software programming and said it was not
included in RAL training courses. SB said, despite limitations, it's
still useful and widely used. TD felt system managers may feel
uncomfortable with it without training. (Experiments were using it for
their analysis frameworks). TD asked if GridPP should request a course on
using it. A number of negative issues against this were raised and it
was decided finally that the training request be put on hold at the
moment and reviewed at a later date, pending feedback from the the UK
PP community on the usefulness of e.g. a short one-day course.
STANDING ITEMS
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SI-1 ALL: to provide any news items and meeting dates for the web page to SP.
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SP said she was waiting on EGEE conference news from JG.
She was preparing for the press release for the 24 hour webcast with CERN.
SP also said she would be submitting a proposal to the Royal Society
Summer Exhibition in conjunction with Astrogrid.
JG will provide info for SP following the Silicon.com visit to RAL.
TD said he had attended a meeting with Ian Halliday. They discussed the
UK's involvement through LCG in a wider context and felt that high
quality publicity material was needed. The board discussed this at
length and decided that work should be started from the bottom up to help
explain all areas. SP said that a brochure could be prepared as opposed
to flyers. DN said something simple and practical showing results of
people using the Grid would be the best approach. It was agreed DN, DB,
TD & SP would work on this together and arrange a phone conference soon.
SI-2 Production Manager's weekly report of issues.
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JC reported briefly on several items and said that QM had gone down but
hoped to be back in use soon. London e-Science would join shortly.
He also said that there was a growing need to change site names (some
containing "LCG2" will soon be "out-of-date". Imperial will be a test
case as LeSC is now joining prompting some action.
The question of VO boxes will be raised again at the GDB - our position
remains to take guidance from the Tier-1 experiences and to insist that
the experiments complete the questionnaires for site information.
Graeme Stewart would be giving a talk at the LCG annual review at CERN
next week.
SI-3 LCG Management Board Report of Issues.
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To be reported next week - first meeting today.
SI-4 Documentation Officer's weekly report of issues.
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SB reported briefly that contact hadd been made with David Ferguson
(Edinburgh) and leads a group in EGEE called the User Information Group
(UIG). This is supposed to co-ordinate user documentation but he is
having difficulty in compiling this due to lack of manpower. SB would
work together with him to see what could be done.
ACTIONS
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184.1: TC to write document "How CERN helps the small sites to install
and manage the LCG software"
- ongoing
184.2: DN and JG to report on GridPP All Hands abstracts
- ongoing
184.3: RM and RJ to document Gap Analysis
- ongoing
184.4: DN to document UB questionnaire issues
- ongoing
187.1: JG to prepare combined actions list from GridPP14 meeting
- ongoing
188.2: JG to work on improving logos for LCG/EGEE/GridPP branding
- now closed - no hierarchy in logo
191.1: TD to contact AS regarding quarterly reports for Tier-1
-done
191.2: DK to liaise with Robin Tasker regarding the purchase of monitor
machines
- ongoing
191.3: JG to provide SP with a statement about the EGGE conference in Pisa
- ongoing
191.4: JG to provide SP with information/list regarding invitations from
the UK stand at SC05
- ongoing
NEW ACTION 192.1: RM to send an email to UKHEPGRID asking for
funding requests to attend CHEP06. (This was done after the meeting).
ACTIONS AS AT 7TH NOVEMBER 2005
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184.1: TC to write document "How CERN helps the small sites to install
and manage the LCG software"
184.2: DN and JG to report on GridPP All Hands abstracts
184.3: RM and RJ to document Gap Analysis
184.4: DN to document UB questionnaire issues
187.1: JG to prepare combined actions list from GridPP14 meeting
191.2: DK to liaise with Robin Tasker regarding the purchase of monitor
machines
191.3: JG to provide SP with a statement about the EGGE conference in Pisa
191.4: JG to provide SP with information/list regarding invitations from
the UK stand at SC05
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