Dear All,
Please find attached the weekly GridPP Project Management
Board Meeting minutes. The latest minutes can be found each week in:
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/php/pmb/minutes.php?latest
as well as being listed with other minutes at:
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/php/pmb/minutes.php
Cheers, Tony
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Tony Doyle, GridPP Project Leader Telephone: +44-141-330 5899
Rm 478, Kelvin Building Telefax: +44-141-330 5881
Dept of Physics and Astronomy EMail: [log in to unmask]
University of Glasgow Web: http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~doyle
G12 8QQ, UK Video - IP: 194.36.1.33
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GridPP PMB Minutes 195 - 28th November 2005
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Present: John Gordon, Sarah Pearce, Peter Clarke, Jeremy Coles & Steve
Lloyd by Gizmo. Tony Doyle, Dave Britton, Robin Middleton, Dave Newbold,
Steve Burke, Tony Cass & Roger Jones by phone.
Apologies: Dave Kelsey
1. User Board Status
====================
DN said he had tried to arrange a face-to-face meeting with members but
this was not possible as there were approx. 35 people involved. He was
therefore hoping to organise a phone conference instead with the likely
date being 16th December. Discussions will include what is needed in
terms of requirements and planning and the questionnaire will also be
discussed. DN will get in touch with those concerned over the next 2
weeks.
2. Tier-2 FEC Status
====================
SL and PC attended the meeting with the grant holders last Wednesday
(23rd). SL said that it was clear that there was not enough understanding
regarding the mechanism for funding hardware at Tier-2s and,
in particular, depreciation costs of hardware through FEC. A phone meeting
had now been arranged on Friday 9th February between himself TD, DK & PC
and Janet Seed, Deborah Miller & Dave Charlton to clarify these issues.
3. Tier-1/A discussion on BaBar Status
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TD said that BaBar's 50% annual rebate may not be forthcoming in full
this year due to reduced funding for Tier-1/A hardware in 2005,
reflecting reduced requirements during the first half of this year (for
BaBar and the LHC experiments). He also noted we would have to consider
the allocation for 2006 (and 2007) and review the appropriate profile for
Tier-1/A hardware at the Tier-1/A Board meeting on January 16. This will
be discussed with Janet Seed, John Womersley and George Lafferty, prior
to the Tier-1/A Board meeting hopefully next week. For 2006, it will have
to be ensured that the overall funding of hardware is sufficient to meet all
the requirements.
4. Agenda for GridPP15
======================
TD noted the face-to-face PMB meeting on Tuesday 10th January. This will
commence in the morning (start time to be fixed) finishing at 1.00pm. A
joint meeting with PMB & DB will be held from 2pm - 5pm. This may
continue on Wednesday morning from 9:00-10:30. A DTEAM meeting was
planned for Friday (the 13th).
SL volunteered for the introduction to GridPP15 and TD will
give an overview. JG will review GridPP14 issues, NG will cover NGS and
RAL overview, JC and Jamie Shiers will review deployment and plans. SB
will review documentation.
Other agenda issues will include middleware, RGMA and Networking and a
report on the status of the File Transfer Service. Dave Kant will be
invited to represent GOC. DN asked if anyone could report on Portals as
some collaborators had asked about it. DB said that Gidon Moont had done
this already at Durham (GridPP13). TD said he would discuss it with GM in
the context of the User discussion session (ACTION). TD said that he
would schedule Nick Brook's overview for afternoon of Thursday 12th.
TD will finalise and issue an outline for the programme and send out
invites. JG said he would use the current registration template and edit
it for GridPP15. He asked TD about room allocations and TD said he would
confirm when he knew how many from DB would be attending. JC said he
would provide JG with the names of all those from DB who are intending to
come. (ACTION)
STANDING ITEMS
==============
SI-1 ALL: to provide any news items and meeting dates for the web page to SP.
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SP asked RJ & JG to give her a quote for SC05 and if possible, photographs
as well. The webcast will take place on Wednesday and she will give an
update following this.
JPhysG has been in contact to say that the report will be on their website
soon.
Note: now available at
http://stacks.iop.org/0954-3899/32/N1
SI-2 Production Manager's weekly report of issues.
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JC submitted the following report.
A) There was an issue related to R-GMA over the weekend. With the 2.6.0
release sites were allowed to deploy a non-secure version of R-GMA despite
warnings from the vulnerabilities group. Running the insecure version was
also made part of a critical test. A sysadmin at Imperial made known a bug
in the insecure version on LCG-ROLLOUT after which an announcement was
made that sites running R-GMA in the insecure mode should switch it off
until the system was patched - a patch was made available on LCG-ROLLOUT
shortly after the bug was spotted. The details can be followed on
LCG-ROLLOUT under the subject "R-GMA vulnerabilities" and a subsequent
mail on how EGEE currently addresses vulnerabilities under "Deployment and
vulnerabilities". Improvements are necessary.
B) During the GridPP15 agenda discussion JC noted that there was an
opportunity to engage NESC for some training in gLite or an overview of
e-Infrastruture like
http://homepages.nesc.ac.uk/~mjm/training/roadshow.html
during January. A mail to TB-SUPPORT has not attracted much interest so it
is not likely that this training will be pursued at this time, especially
as the deployment team meeting now looks set for the Friday. JC would like
to hold a course in March/April on specific areas that people are asking
about. There will also be some presentations on relevant topics at the
HEPSYSMAN meeting on December 5th.
C) JC noted that the conclusion of PMB discussions was that sites are
encouraged to use the
UKI-TIER2-SITE-CLUSTER
naming convention if they want to be listed
in EGEE and general Grid lists as a unified whole.
TD stated that sites should include UKI if they could and, at least have
the Tier-2 name, the (full) name of the site and any other qualifier they
needed to distinguish nodes internally within the site. The PMB agreed.
Example:
UKI-SOUTHGRID-BIRMINGHAM-PPS for the Birmingham PPS cluster
D) The lcg_rm issue mentioned by JG is now becoming a topic for
discussion on LCG-ROLLOUT.
SI-3 LCG Management Board Report of Issues.
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JG referred to the email previously forwarded which included reviewer's
summary. Some agenda items had not been covered therefore a number of
issues were outstanding.
It was noted that the last meeting of the Software Computing Committee for
LCG had taken place on Friday and that there was now no internal review
body (but many other bodies were externally reviewing LCG activities).
SI-4 Documentation Officer's weekly report of issues.
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SB has continued to improve the User area on the website by providing
information on locating documentation, and will add more information
about getting certificates, submitting jobs etc. The user pages are
currently in the Deployment section but a link to them will be added on
the home page. The details will be discussed with SP. SB will create a
PMB document to explain the overall documentation situation and the
plans for how it can be improved.
ACTIONS
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184.1: TC to write document "How CERN helps the small sites to install
and manage the LCG software"
- ongoing
184.3: RM and RJ to document Gap Analysis
- ongoing
184.4: DN to document UB questionnaire issues
- ongoing
187.1: JG to prepare combined actions list from GridPP14 meeting
- ongoing
194.1: TD to compile a registration form and agenda for GridPP15
- ongoing
NEW ACTION 195.1: TD to discuss a presentation on portals with Gidon Moont
for GridPP15
NEW ACTION 195.2: JC to provide a list of deployment team members for
GridPP15 and send to JG
AOCB
====
Re: LHCb application for support, Karl Harrison had got back in touch
with a revised proposal. TD proposed that the PMB should agree to 59% of
the funding with LHCb paying the rest. This would be specific to the
course itself and would amount to 3,300. The board agreed to this.
DB asked about the clash with GridPP15 and TD said that he had been told
that a different set of people would be attending the course.
Courses such as this were thus assigned higher priority (at this level of
funding) than a few extra attendances at CHEP06. RM was preparing a
spreadsheet on CHEP06, to determine what could be funded.
ACTIONS AS AT 21ST NOVEMBER 2005
================================
184.1: TC to write document "How CERN helps the small sites to install
and manage the LCG software"
184.3: RM and RJ to document Gap Analysis
184.4: DN to document UB questionnaire issues
187.1: JG to prepare combined actions list from GridPP14 meeting
194.1: TD to compile a registration form and agenda for GridPP15
195.1: TD to discuss a presentation on portals with Gidon Moont for GridPP15
195.2: JC to provide a list of deployment team members for GridPP15 and
send to JG
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