Just a couple of thoughts on this issue...

i often tell my students on BA (Hons.) Product Design, that compliance  
with a system of referencing in academic work—as well as its academic,  
moral & historical relevance to their studies—shows an attention to  
detail that is required of a designer in all of her/his work, in  
college & beyond.

If a design student cannot follow a system outlining the proper  
citation & referencing of researched material, how can they be expected  
to follow (or creatively deviate from) clients' briefs, British  
Standards, materials & manufacturing constraints?...Or even analyse &  
produce the different radii, & their relationships, found, for example,  
on a mobile phone? Or assess the minutiae of user/customer rituals of  
behaviour?

The other thing was this: if I insist on a single, common system for  
citation & referencing &c.—currently Chicago, documentation 2—then for  
each of the hundreds of scripts i have to asses, I can concentrate on  
the analyses & creative syntheses that each student can bring to the  
project, rather than have to deal with a plethora of citation rituals &  
their different intricacies.

Right, now back to tidying my office...

jamie

Dr Jamie Brassett MA FRSA
Senior Lecturer
Programme Leader, Contextual Studies for
    BA (Hons.) Product Design
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On 22 Sep 2005, at 08:55, Margo Blythman wrote:

> Morning, Graham
>
> How does this relate to any claims to educational provision being  
> vocational?  We do claim that for some/most of our courses here- there  
> is a lot of discourse about employability, preparation for
> practice, industry links etc etc and much of the work is based on  
> conceptions of communities of practice (not that they necessarily use  
> that construct consciously).  So, if this is the case, should
> we have house rules that differ from industry norms?
>
> I appreciate that because we are degree-awarding institutions we have  
> to do things at times that differ from industry practice.  For  
> example, as far as I can establish, design industries' law on
> copywright is not as tight as our expectations around avoiding  
> plagiarism....and of course there are the journalism courses..........
>
> The debate about how we relate to industry norms is also interesting  
> re the other strand on team work and collusion.  What are the industry  
> norms there?  Indeed what are our own norms......writing
> validation documents for example?
>
> I always come back to the point about degree-awarding.  Is a  
> particular academic practice necessary because of the whole nature of  
> awarding individual degrees?  If yes, then fine I can accept that.
> If not, then why are we insisting on it?
>
> Wouldn't it be nice to be able to spend whole mornings exploring this  
> rather than doing all the things sitting on our desks????
>
> Margo
>
> Graham Lewis wrote:
>
>> Too much coffee too early perhaps but here are my thoughts for what  
>> they are worth;
>>
>> House rules only apply when you are still in the house.  Out in the  
>> real world many referencing systems exist.  The house rule serves  
>> several purposes:
>> 1. It makes marking easier
>> 2. It teaches the discipline of complying with a standard
>> 3.  It teaches the value of standards (not the same as 2)
>>
>> I would say the most valuable of these for the student in the long  
>> term is 3.  It seems to me that Matt's approach focuses on the  
>> principles rtaher than the rules which I would argue has longer
>>
>> Graham Lewis
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