> You're only hoping it's the darkest day of the year, Steve--solstice or no,
> there's ten more to go. But who am I to cavil at youthful optimism?
Explique, Mark - not to deny my youthful optimism, but "ten more to go of
what"?? Days, years, soltices??
>
> Mark
>
>
> At 12:48 PM 12/21/2005, you wrote:
>> Curious to me how the Bush Admininistration portrays "torture" as a national
>> benefit, the way itprotects 'us', 'our way of life', etc."
>> Isn't it, I think, similar to the way Slavery prior the Civil War was also
>> portrayed and supported also as a national benefit.
>>
>> Doug, all reports outside the Bush Way, indicate that Iraq is already deeply
>> into a civil war, and the elections have cemented this war as a way of life
>> (sadly). Bush folks - in total defiance of reality - will keep spouting
>> "democracy" so they can out of there before total collapse. They will have
>> to deal for the oil through other venues than a collapsing democratic
>> charade.
>>
>> Talk about "unintended consequences" - the same folks brought us Enron & Co.
>> as a model for fiction mongering.
>>
>> Oh, well, a happy Solstice to all!
>>
>> Stephen V
>>
>>
>>> Yes, exactly, that news has been around, as you say.
>>>
>>> The changes in government in South America these days are interesting,
>>> if only because it seems the US government (& CIA) don't seem to feel
>>> they can just go in & take these new leftist leaders out the way they
>>> did in Chile back in the day....
>>>
>>> too busy bringing democracy to the Middle East...? (not that an
>>> unimposed & perhaps real (vaid?) democracy there wouldn't be a good
>>> thing....).
>>>
>>> Doug
>>> On 20-Dec-05, at 11:13 AM, Roger Day wrote:
>>>
>>>> For a long time, certainly before 9/11 and way back even to the 80s
>>>> I've read articles involving torture and the School Of The Americas
>>>> in Fort Benning, Georgia, where apparently the CIA train officers and
>>>> NCOs from Latin American countries.
>>>>
>>>> Roger
>>>>
>>>> On 12/20/05, Douglas Barbour <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>> I am listening to CBC's The Current as I write, to a USAmerican
>>>>> psychologist, Alfred McCoy, author of A Question of Torture, on the
>>>>> US's use of torture, and how what is happening now is leading to the
>>>>> normalization of torture by the US. He's especially appalled by the
>>>>> way
>>>>> the US representatives to the international community continue to
>>>>> 'lie'
>>>>> (basically his term) saying that the US does not torture, when in fact
>>>>> he asserts it has done so for decades, & much more so now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not the merriest of news in this week....
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug
>>>>>
>>>>> Douglas Barbour
>>>>> 11655 - 72 Avenue NW
>>>>> Edmonton Ab T6G 0B9
>>>>> (780) 436 3320
>>>>>
>>>>> the precision of openness
>>>>> is not a vagueness
>>>>> it is an accumulation
>>>>> cumulous
>>>>>
>>>>> bpNichol
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> http://www.badstep.net/
>>>> http://www.cb1poetry.org.uk/
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Douglas Barbour
>>> 11655 - 72 Avenue NW
>>> Edmonton Ab T6G 0B9
>>> (780) 436 3320
>>>
>>> the precision of openness
>>> is not a vagueness
>>> it is an accumulation
>>> cumulous
>>>
>>> bpNichol
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