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Subject:

Re: an open email to Michael Howard

From:

Paul Caldwell <[log in to unmask]>

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GP-UK <[log in to unmask]>

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Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:26:52 +0000

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actually private schools are the least tolerant of all. i've recently seen a
child with properly diagnosed adhd whose school on learning of the diagnosis
promptly sacked him  telling the parents that he'd be better off at a state
school "look after those sort of problems". he's absolutely fine purely on
ritalin alone and needs no behavioural programs.
why am i feeling patronised by replies from those advocates of private
education? actually my local state schools results just published are better
than the fairly well-known local private school, as i had great pleasure in
telling a snotty local gp who once siad to me "you're so brave sending your
children to states. i couldn't possibly take that risk"!

>From: Alistair Holmes <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: GP-UK <[log in to unmask]>
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>Paul Caldwell wrote:
> > the debate about private v state education is one which will never get
> > solved as so many using private education are completely blinkered,
>
>Much truth in that but same so of those using state system too.
>
> > a close family friend was chair of the headmasters conference and a
> > dyed in the wool private man but he said "70% of the private schools
> > in the headmasters conference are below the average state school in
> > teaching and facilities. they only do better fundamentally cos of the
> > background of the kids. in the remaining 30%, it's surprising,
> > granted all the advantages the schools and kids have,  that the kids
> > do not do better than they actually do". i wrote it down.
>
>So we have a system with enough variation that by observation and
>measurement the 'best' system should be derivable for the benefit of future
>generations.
>
>Unfortunately there is little agreement as to what an education is for, is
>it to train the future population to believe the current social model of
>society should not be overturned, or is it to ensure sufficient enquiring
>minds that can push the boundaries and deliver new services and grow the
>economy for the benefit of all (there is a natural conflict inherent
>between
>these views). And there are many other views too.
>
>Further there are many parties within the educational establishment who
>have
>much to loose if there was an agreement on this issue. Thus all parties
>muddy the waters as a defensive strategy.
>
>Like Health after deriving the 'best system' what one will find is the best
>for one sector of ability is an incompatible model with that for those with
>higher or lower abilities in any given subject. The disgrace of the current
>system as one observes it, is the pitiful support offered to those who by
>chance or genetics are very able, and the difficulties of a disabled child
>who is intellectually very able in the current system beggar belief.
>
>Fundamentally the difficulties are around the state delivering a provision
>that is not the right provision for the individual child to maximise their
>opportunity, but the least worst that the population will tolerate, this
>being driven by a macro-economic view that just like health this sector is
>a
>on-cost that reduces a counties productivity thus intrinsically damaging
>the
>economy when measured against others who may as yet not bother with this
>provision.
>
>Alistair

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