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There are 38 messages totalling 1367 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Galignani's Messenger - time taken to get to London? (6)
2. Abridgments and selections (3)
3. Muybridge (3)
4. Victorians Institute (new volume)
5. Industrial "revolution" (7)
6. "old cock" (5)
7. Illness Query (2)
8. FW: visawus cfp
9. invitation to participate in survey of Victorian novels (2)
10. novels with dates (5)
11. Milton access
12. industrial revolution
13. RSVP Van Arsdel Prize
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 04:32:55 +0100
From: Julia Bolton Holloway <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Galignani's Messenger - time taken to get to London?
As Custodian of the Swiss-owned, so-called "English" Cemetery in Florence I
have been finding that the record-keeping on the English on the Continent
is largely done by the Church of England ministers abroad and the
Legations, the Church of England for baptisms, marriages and funerals, the
Legation mainly for marriages. In our case the records are kept in the
Guildhall Library in London. The Church of England was really acting as an
arm of the Civil Service. If the individual was not an Anglican then
problems begin. In the case of our burials I now have data for the English
from the Guildhall Library, for the Swiss from our archives, which also
kept data on all the burials, for the Russians from the Russian Church and
from duplicate records in St Petersburg. We cannot track down much
information on the Americans, unless the particular Consul's papers survive.
At 10:37 07/02/05 +1100, you wrote:
>Dear List,
>
>Can anyone tell me how long it would have taken for Galignani's Messenger,
>the English language daily published in Paris - to reach London in 1840? A
>very brief obit in the Athenaeum, Feb 1, 1840, notes that the death is
>reported in the Messenger "no details given". Could I assume that such a
>death would be quite recent, ie January 1840? If a British subject died in
>Europe in the 19c was a death certificate lodged in Britain?
Julia Bolton Holloway, Professor Emerita
Director, Biblioteca e Bottega Fioretta Mazzei
'English Cemetery', Piazzale Donatello, 38
50132 Florence, Italy [log in to unmask]
http://www.umilta.net http://www.florin.ms
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 03:24:10 EST
From: David Lannon <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Galignani's Messenger - time taken to get to London?
In regard to records of English people on the continental mainland during
and before the 19th centuey, the English Roman Catholics mantained a
substantial
presence for some 300 years after the Reformation, despite temporary
problems with the French Revolution. Many records have been published by the
Catholic Record Society, and more recently, by the Catholic Family
History Society
in the UK, while written histories of many individual institutions have ben
written over the years.
In regard to the 19th century itself, obituary notes were included in the
Laity Directory (later the Catholic Directory) published annually.
Biographies
of later Victorians of esteemed status would have been included in The
Catholic Who's Who, first published in 1908.
David Lannon
Salford Diocesan Archives
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:30:29 -0600
From: Ellen Moody <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Abridgments and selections
In doing an essay-review for an academic periodical
where one of the books I was asked to review was
Price's I discovered it's very difficult to find detailed
expositions and survey or stastical information about
abridgements. As has been noted, an abridgement
is a very different text than an anthology. In fact
they are quite different: in one you pick out texts
and arrange them in accordance with some values or
criteria; some of these texts may be abridged, but
the whole feel of the work announces itself differently
and is read (and sold) as a history or canonization
or school text to be seriously scrutinized for people
looking to "join in" on the literature of the day.
Abridgements, particularly of whole books, sell to
very different audiences. The modern _Readers'
Digests_ bring this out. Most often what happens
is the abridgement is a substitute for the original
text: another simplified, hollowed out text is
supplied. If parts of the original are included, they
are framed by connectives. The audience is a
popular or mass one.
One problem in producing essays on the latter
material is the texts are regarded as fodder and
often not kept. They are studied even less than
translations -- which are themselves not much
regarded except by translators and in translation
studies recently. You don't have a body of
information put together in places readily
accessible. To put it bluntly, scholars are
often embarrassed by such texts. Price goes
into the substitutes for _Clarissa_ and _Grandison_
that were sold -- and pretty early on as well
as throughout the nineteenth century; these were
quite different from Dallas's three volume abridgement.
The substitutes you see were often omniscient
and not epistolary narration.
To find material one often has to hunt out specific
studies of authors where in a bibliography an individual
has looked into the abridgement. Where materials
are to be found is in canonized authors who also
reach the popular mass audience: so studies of
Austen abridgements, abridgements of _Robinson
Crusoe_ (a vast industry in itself as the book
has progeny in sequels which are then abridged),
and abridgements of adult novels which become
"children's classics" turn up evidence and may
be found in bibliographies. I fell back on one
study I cited in my footnotes by a man who did
spend some years reading and comparing Readers'
Digests abridgements. He had not been able to
get this study into print -- at least at the time
I was studying towards and writing my review.
This is an important and could be a revealing area of literary
studies when it comes to looking at what readers
read and also why film adaptations take the forms
they do.
I did put my review online and included in the online
text the bibliography and review I got together.
I summarize and critique Price's book too:
http://www.jimandellen.org/Reviewers.Corner.TakingSides.html
Ellen Moody
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:51:34 -0500
From: Sally Mitchell <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Galignani's Messenger - time taken to get to London?
The registry of births, marriages and deaths at the Family Records Centre
in London has volumes recording the deaths of people who died abroad --
but it's quite erratic, and depends on someone having made a report to a
consular official. The Registry of Wills has wills that were proved in
London even though the person died abroad, and the entry in the indexes
gives a death date. These can be hard to search since wills were sometimes
proved several years after a death -- IF the person left a will which was
proved in the UK (usually because of a UK residence or UK property).
Sally Mitchell, English Department, Temple University: [log in to unmask]
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:31:29 -0500
From: Victoria Olsen <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Muybridge
Hello,
Since someone in the recent Victorian photography thread referred to my
brief article on Muybridge in Smithsonian magazine, I thought I'd say
something about my sources for that article. There have been two very
interesting recent books on Muybridge.
Rebecca Solnit's River of Shadows: Eadweard Muybridge and the Technological
Wild West (Viking, 2003) links Muybridge's quest to photograph motion to the
revolution in Victorian notions of time and space that (she argues) began in
California. Muybridge famously took on the challenge of photographing
horses in motion for Leland Stanford, owner of race horses and founder of
the first transcontinental railroad. Solnit makes much of the new culture
of speed (rail travel, telegraphs, etc) and time (the standardization of GMT
required by rail travel), but commerce is in that mix too. At the most
basic level Stanford asked Muybridge to photograph a running horse (his own
record-breaking trotter) because knowing how horses run could help him
manage a more profitable stable. Supposedly the challenge began in a bet
over money, though this has been questioned. But either way, the physics of
a horse's gait was *both* scientifically and commercially significant to the
racing community. Solnit's book puts all this in the context of Taylorism
and the splitting of time into ever-smaller increments associated with
industrialization, just as photographing motion splits the image (or vision
itself) into ever-smaller increments of light too. It's all fascinating.
Solnit puts all this in a very rich, broad cultural context but she has
little to say about the history of photography per se. For that, Phillip
Prodger's book Time Stands Still: Eadweard Muybridge and the Instantaneous
Photography Movement (Oxford UP) is invaluable. Prodger makes clear that
photography always had a history of struggling with technological challenges
and Muybridge's ambition to invent a faster shutter wasn't triggered (so to
speak) just by Stanford and his horse. From the start photography was
necessarily interested in the relationships between time and space and
Prodger traces Muybridge's achievements back to the Instantaneous
Photography movement of the 1850s, which attempted to photograph breaking
waves, clouds passing, waterfalls, etc. Also fascinating!
This is all relevant too to Luke McKernan's recent post on the history of
cinema and the discovery of the Mitchell and Kenyon archive because Solnit
would like to draw a straight line from Muybridge to Hollywood, and argue
for California's preeminence in the quest for speed, but of course the more
one looks at any given tradition the more complicated its "origins" seem.
Nonetheless, I hope it's clear that I recommend both books highly....
Back to "real" work, and best wishes,
Victoria Olsen
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:56:47 EST
From: Susan Hoyle <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Galignani's Messenger - time taken to get to London?
In a message dated 06/02/2005 23:37:21 GMT Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
<<because I have the person's married
name only, and no idea when the marriage took place, I've had no luck at all
in spite of intensive googling. What would be the best website to consult
in such circumstances?>>
A place to try is the LDS site (Latter-Day Saints, aka Mormons):
_http://www.familysearch.org/_ (http://www.familysearch.org/) . In the
middle left
column, click on "Search for your ancestors in our vast record
collections," and
you're away. They have online searchable transcriptions of a vast number of
registers, particularly pre-1837. There is a huge caveat to note, namely
that much of the data could be rather dodgy and the standard of
transcription
is sometimes very poor; but it is a start and you may hit gold.
Rootsweb and its commercial sponsor Ancestry.com are another sites to try,
and Cyndi's List is an amazing list of lists. But I would start with the
LDS
mob. If you get stuck, e-mail me privately.
Susan
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:03:17 -0500
From: David Latane <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Galignani's Messenger - time taken to get to London?
I'll take a stab at the original query. By 1840 with the railroad and
steamboat I think a "Galignani's Messenger" could be in a London
newspaper office ripe for picking over by the next day. The Athenaeum,
though, wasn't a competitive daily newspaper but a weekly literary
magazine, so its reprintings (in the literary news & gossip section?)
might be staler.
David Latane
Victorians Institute: www.vcu.edu/vij
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:15:11 -0500
From: David Latane <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Victorians Institute (new volume)
Victorians Institute volume 32 (2004, Julian Calender?) is at the
printer, and should be mailed to members & subscribers shortly. This
volume is also available separately under ISBN 0-9747726-1-5 (Poetry and
the Colonies), $15 (inquire with the editors at [log in to unmask] for foreign
currency payment).
Information about the Institute is found at http://www.vcu.edu/vij
David Latane
[log in to unmask]
Contents:
"Poetry and the Colonies'
Introduction
John Kinsella
Henry Clay--Racist or Not?
Elizabeth Galway
Poetical Patriotism: Canadian Children s Poetry and Nationalist
Discourse in the Late Victorian Period
Mary Ellis Gibson
Poems of Mary Carshore: The Indian Legacy of L.E.L. and Tom Moore
Colonial Poems: a Selection
Mary Fortune, "Conjuro Te"
Contributed by Lucy Sussex
"Our Street Ballads, No. 4. Governor Yeh"
Contributed by Ting Man Tsao
Toru Dutt, "The Legend of Dhruva" and "The Royal Ascetic and the Hind"
Contributed by Chris Foss
Thomas Cowherd, "Tinsmith s Song"
Contributed by Kathryn Carter
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Essays
J. Timothy Lovelace
The Secret of the Gods in Tennyson s "Tiresias"
Devon Fisher
In Graceful Service to the Queen (Bee): The Politics of the Hive in
Tennyson s The Princess
John Glendening
Track of the Sphinx: H. G. Wells, the Modern Universe, and the Decay of
Aestheticism
Jennifer Geer
"Many Worlds More": Feminine Imagination in Jean Ingelow s Gladys and
Her Island and Mopsa the Fairy
Tamara Wagner
Victorian Fictions of the Nerves: Telepathy and Depression in Wilkie
Collins s The Two Destinies
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Reviews
Sascha Auerbach
Rev. of Capital Offenses: Geographies of Class and Crime in Victorian
London, by Simon Joyce
James H. Murphy
Rev. of Anti-Catholicism and Nineteenth-Century Fiction, by Susan M. Griffin
Paul R. Deslandes
Rev. of Masters of Theory: Cambridge and the Rise of Mathematical
Physics, Andrew Warwick
Christa Zorn
Rev. of Spurious Ghosts: The Fantastic Tales of Vernon Lee, by Mary
Patricia Kane
Alisa Clapp-Itnyre
Rev. of Sherlock s Sisters: The British Female Detective, 1864-1913, by
Joseph A. Kestner
Jeffrey Twitchell-Waas
Rev. of The Idea of a Colony: Cross-Culturalism in Modern Poetry, by
Edward Marx
Linda H. Peterson
Rev. of The Hour and the Woman: Harriet Martineau s "Somewhat
Remarkable" Life by Deborah Logan, and Writings on Slavery and the
American Civil War. and Harriet Martineau s Writing on the British
Empire, ed. by Deborah Logan.
Kathleen McCormack
Rev. of Bloom: The Botanical Vernacular in the English Novel, by Amy M. King
Janet Winston
Rev. of Florence Fenwick Miller: Victorian Feminist, Journalist, and
Educator, by Rosemary T. Van Arsdel
Editors Choice
Victoria C. Olsen, From Life: The Story of Julia Margaret Cameron and
Victorian Photography
Catherine Robson, Men in Wonderland: The Lost Girlhood of the Victorian
Gentleman
William Baker, Wilkie Collins s Library a Reconstruction
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:15:27 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Industrial "revolution"
I am appealing to the collective wisdom of the list with regard to the =
term
Industrial "Revolution." What I am trying to ascertain relates to the
label "revolution." Was this a contemporary designation or was it appl=
ied
after the fact? If the latter, when did this designation become popula=
r?
Does anyone know of any written contemporary engagements with this idea=
of
revolution? Are there any essays/commentaries that yoke the Industrial
Revolution with the French Revolution in any way?
Any insights, leads, or references/sources would be most appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Carol
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Dr. Carol Margaret Davison
English Literature and Women's Studies
University of Windsor
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:10:39 -0500
From: "Robinson, Charles" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Galignani's Messenger - time taken to get to London?
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:52:48 EST
From: Robert Lapides <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: "old cock"
As we start another Year of the Cock, Tamara's
greeting from Singapore reminded me of two
questions that've nagged at me for years about
Sam Weller's use of the phrase "old cock" for
Mr. Pickwick.
(1) Was this expression derived from the similar,
usually less amiable Yiddish phrase? I have a
vague memory of having seen English writers
before the 19C using it.
(2) Is it possible that "cock" had already begun
to be another word for "penis? The dictionaries
of slang I've consulted don't support this idea,
but that may mean only that the evidence was
unavailable to the dictionary writers.
The question about Yiddish is idle curiosity, but
I have serious interest in the second one, as an
interpretation I've been wanting to make would
turn on this piece of information.
Thanks for any help. Happy New Year!
Bob Lapides
bmcc, cuny
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:33:44 -0500
From: Sarah Canfield Fuller <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Abridgments and selections
One author whose work has been much abridged is Bram Stoker, and there
is sporadic discussion of this fact in Stoker studies. When I started
working on The Lair of the White Worm, I had already gotten well into my
research before I realized the text I was using had been abridged!
Apparently the abridgements appeared without any indications, and later
editions were based on those shortened versions rather than the first
edition. Several of the published discussions of the text also seemed
unaware of the discrepancies (quite dramatic) between the two versions.
Sarah Canfield Fuller
PhD Candidate, Indiana University
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:28:07 +0100
From: Sigrun Meinig <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Illness Query
Dear 'Victoria',
I have been a silent member for a long time, but I would be very
grateful if the list could help me.
I am currently working on a research project on physical illness in
British and Post-Colonial Literatures, both of the nineteenth and the
twentieth century. While I have found quite a few nineteenth-century
texts (especially Ruth Gaskell's, but also 'Life in the Sick-Room'), I
am wondering whether I am overlooking significant texts. I would
therefore be extremely grateful for hints about novels and poems dealing
with significant instances of physical illness in nineteenth-century
literature (also off-list).
Thank you very much,
Sigrun Meinig
-- Assistant Professor
British and Post-Colonial Literatures
University of Bielefeld,
Germany --
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:32:21 -0600
From: Patrick Leary <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Industrial "revolution"
The term "industrial revolution" was coined by the young economic
historian Arnold Toynbee for his "Lectures on the Industrial Revolution
in England," which were published posthumously in 1884 and have been
enormously influential. There's of course a vast literature on the
timing and revolutionary (or otherwise) nature of industrialization.
The 3-volume _Economic History of Britain since 1700_ edited by Floud
and McCloskey might be a good place to begin to become acquainted with
these issues.
-- Patrick
_____________
Patrick Leary
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:22:22 -0800
From: Richard Fulton <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: FW: visawus cfp
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CALL FOR PAPERS
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VISAWUS 2005
VICTORIAN RITUALS, CELEBRATIONS, AND ANNIVERSARIES
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The Victorian Interdisciplinary Studies Association of the Western
United States (VISAWUS) announces its tenth annual conference, hosted by
the libraries of the University of New Mexico and New Mexico Tech, at
the University of New Mexico in Albuquerque October 27-29, 2005.
=20
The focus of this year's conference is Victorian Rituals, Celebrations,
and Anniversaries. We invite proposals for 20 minute papers or full
panels (three papers) addressing any aspect of the theme topic,
including discussions in both Victorian and contemporary contexts.
Thus, we would welcome papers on such topics as the social significance
of school prize days, the enduring significance of the Changing of the
Guard, marriage and funeral customs, the initiation of national
observances, the growing phenomenon of commercial and community Dickens
Christmas celebrations etc. We ask that papers and panels take an
interdisciplinary approach, or center on issues that may be addressed by
more than one discipline. Paper proposals, a maximum of the equivalent
of two double-spaced pages, should be emailed to:
=20
Richard Fulton
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=20
We are pleased to announce that the 10th anniversary keynote speaker
will be James Kincaid, Aerol Arnold Professor of English at the
University of Southern California. Prof. Kincaid was the keynote
speaker at the Association's first meeting; thus we, too, mark an
important anniversary with a meaningful celebratory event. His topic
this year will be "What if the Victorians Were Looking at Us?"
=20
The conference hotel will be the MCM Elegante (aka Holiday Inn Mountain
View), 2020 Menaul Boulevard NE, Albuquerque, New Mexico 87106. Rates
(before taxes) are $62 Single/Double; $71 Triple/Quad. Reservations
must be made by October 5, 2005. For reservations or hotel information,
phone (505) 884-2512 and ask for VISAWUS rates for any or all evenings
from October 26-29. Sessions will be held on the UNM campus; shuttle
service from the hotel to the conference will be provided. Further
information concerning fees, transportation, conference meals etc. will
be available soon from Conference Co-Chair Dal Symes at
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=20
Deadline for proposals will be June 3, 2005. =20
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:09:52 -0600
From: Joseph Carroll <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: invitation to participate in survey of Victorian novels
Dear Colleagues:
We would like to invite anyone who is interested in British =
novels of the nineteenth century to participate in a collective research =
project. We are a research team consisting of two literary scholars and =
two psychologists (Joe Carroll, Jon Gottschall, John Johnson, and Dan =
Kruger). We have put together a website questionnaire on about 2,100 =
characters from 202 novels-from Austen through Forster. =20
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Here is the website address: =
http://survey.ehap.isr.umich.edu/carroll-intro.html=20
The novels are listed by author's name, in alphabetical =
order, and under the title of each novel we have listed a selection of =
characters-an average of about ten characters per novel. Participants =
can fill out questionnaires on as few or as many characters in as few or =
as many novels as they choose. Filling out a questionnaire on a single =
character usually takes less than five minutes. All participation is =
anonymous. =20
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The questionnaire contains questions on each character's =
motives, personality, and agonistic status (protagonist/antagonist), on =
the criteria the character uses for selecting a spouse or romantic =
partner, and on your emotional response to the character.
The last ten questions on the questionnaire are designed to assess each =
character on five major factors of personality: Extraversion, =
Agreeableness, Conscientiousness, Emotional Stability, and Openness to =
Experience. After you have filled out a questionnaire on a character, =
the program will provide a graph that displays the results of your =
coding on those five factors. =20
=20
We have not set an ending date for the study. We are =
opening the website in January of 2005, and we anticipate that it will =
be open for at least a year. Once we have completed the study, we shall =
share our findings with anyone who asks for them. =20
=20
This study is a type of "census" of vital statistics about the =
population of "Victorian" literary characters-the first of its kind. =
The "census-taker" is you, the individual coder sitting at his or her =
computer. Anyone who has read a Victorian novel is qualified to =
participate. =20
=20
We want to gather information that will allow us systematically to =
answer questions like the following: What features of characterization =
do males, females, antagonists, protagonists, and other character types =
tend to share? What exactly makes them different? Do these features =
change much as we cross historical boundaries? How do these features =
vary by sex of author? How about by sex or age of the interpreter? =
What can consistent differences between protagonists and antagonists =
tell us about the moral universe that gave birth to the novels? Do =
people generally agree about interpretation of character? Or are there =
large individual differences? Can we do a better job of answering =
certain literary questions by systematically gathering data about reader =
response? And, conversely, can literary works be mined as rich sources =
of data for formal psychological studies? =20
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These are just some of the important questions we hope to address in our =
study. But we can't do it without your help. Thank you in advance for =
your assistance!
Joseph Carroll
English Department
University of Missouri-St. Louis
St. Louis, MO 63121
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www.umsl.edu/~engjcarr/index.htm
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:54:52 -0700
From: George Griffith <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: novels with dates
For a literary almanac project I'm involved with, I'd appreciate
learning of novels in our period in which incidents of plot can be
dated by date and year (e.g. June 16, 1904). Examples (all outside
our era) include: Gulliver's Travels, Robinson Crusoe, Tristram
Shandy, Ulysses.
--
George Griffith
Professor of English
Chadron State College
Chadron, NE 69337
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:56:59 -0600
From: Richard Floyd <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Industrial "revolution"
I happened to have looked this up just a few weeks ago. As I recall, the
OED first has "industrial revolution" in 1848, but the sense is not what I
imagine what you're after. The next usage given is Toynbee's lecture, in
1884. Another source I looked at identified Blanqui and Engels as using
the term before 1848 around, I think, 1835 and 1845.
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Richard Floyd / [log in to unmask]
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Department of History
Washington University
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:57:22 +0000
From: Michael Hargreave Mawson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: "old cock"
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, at around 10:52:48 local time, Robert Lapides
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>As we start another Year of the Cock, Tamara's
>greeting from Singapore reminded me of two
>questions that've nagged at me for years about
>Sam Weller's use of the phrase "old cock" for
>Mr. Pickwick.
Dear Robert,
The usage of "cock" or "cock sparrow" to refer to a strutting male has
been around for centuries (the first citation in OED dates from 1598).
It seems unlikely that this has anything to do with Yiddish. There has
obviously always been a link between "male" and "physical characteristic
of maleness", but this is not mentioned in OED, nor is it normally in
the minds of those who routinely use the word: almost invariably, there
is no insult intended.
ATB
--
Mike
Michael Hargreave Mawson
<OC[at]46thFoot[dot]com>
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:01:58 -0500
From: Terry Meyers <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: "old cock"
On Feb 7, 2005, at 10:52 AM, Robert Lapides wrote:
>
> (2) Is it possible that "cock" had already begun
> to be another word for "penis? The dictionaries
> of slang I've consulted don't support this idea,
>
An 1811 dictionary of the vulgar tongue has several entries along
this
line:
http://www.blackmask.com/books82c/dcvgr.htm#1_0_5
In a letter to Swinburne of 2 October 1877, Charles Augustus Howell
writes,
I am truly sorry to hear you are so seedy, but though I could wish for
better news of yourself, nothing has given me greater pleasure for many
a long day since this kind little note from you. Oui vieux libertin, we
will meet and celebrate our old age! I will arrange this week for some
soft grub somewhere, something that will not sweep away my remaining
fangs. You remember my old Portuguese friend who always cracked his
nuts with his cock in order to save his grinders, well we must do the
same and for the purpose select some quiet nook so that if I crack the
instrument instead of the nut the world at large may not become
possessed of the sad fact.
(Uncollected
Letters of ACS,
II, 135)
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Terry L. Meyers Phone: 757-221-3932
English Department Fax: 757-221-1844
College of William and Mary
Williamsburg VA 23187-8795
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:20:45 +0000
From: Mark Chilton <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: novels with dates
I'd appreciate
> learning of novels in our period in which incidents of plot can be
> dated by date and year (e.g. June 16, 1904).
From Conrad's The Secret Agent:
It was then five o'clock in the morning, and it was no
accident either. An hour afterwards one of the steamer's hands
found a wedding ring left lying on the seat. It had stuck to the
wood in a bit of wet, and its glitter caught the man's eye. There
was a date, 24th June 1879, engraved inside.
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:28:30 +0000
From: Mark Chilton <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Milton access
I'm interested in the republication history of John Milton’s In Quintum
Novembris (1626). Was this readily available to readers on the nineteenth
and early twentieth century? (The date I'm interested in is 1906,
actually.) Offline is fine with me, as this may not be of public
interest.
Thank you,
Mark Chilton
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:15:44 -0500
From: Cassandra Laity <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Muybridge
This is fascinating. Does anyone on the list know to what extent the Victor=
ian public (including any British authors) knew about Muybridge's work? W=
as it highly publicized?
I am wondering if Crary's notion of a new "observer" created by photography=
and other forms of optics (Kaleidescope, stereoscope)might also have bee=
n shaped by Muybridge's precursor to the motion picture?
Cassandra Laity
Cassandra Laity
Associate Professor
Co-Editor, _Modernism/Modernity_
Department of English
Drew University
Madison, NJ 07940
Phone: 973-408-3141
Fax: 973-408-3040
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:14:24 +0000
From: Michael Hargreave Mawson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: novels with dates
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, at around 12:54:52 local time, George Griffith
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>For a literary almanac project I'm involved with, I'd appreciate
>learning of novels in our period in which incidents of plot can be
>dated by date and year
The Duchess of Richmond's ball immediately before the battle of Waterloo
in "Vanity Fair" springs irresistibly to mind.
ATB
--
Mike
Michael Hargreave Mawson
<OC[at]46thFoot[dot]com>
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:08:35 +0000
From: Michael Hargreave Mawson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Industrial "revolution"
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, at around 11:15:27 local time, [log in to unmask]
wrote:
>I am appealing to the collective wisdom of the list with regard to the term
>Industrial "Revolution."
Dear Carol,
The first occurrence of the phrase in "The Times" comes in an article
comparing Flanders and Ireland in 1847 (The Times, Monday, Nov 29, 1847;
pg. 5; Issue 19719; col F). The way it is used seems to imply that the
phrase is probably not a new coinage.
ATB
--
Mike
Michael Hargreave Mawson
<OC[at]46thFoot[dot]com>
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:45:59 -0000
From: Luke McKernan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Muybridge
Muybridge's worked was highly publicised, largely by Muybridge himself. He
toured for a number of years in Europe and America, giving presentations on
his work and exhibiting proto-animations of his photographic sequence with
his Zoopraxiscope projector. The Zoopraxiscope was featured at the World's
Columbian Exposition in Chicago (at the Zoopraxographic Hall). He produced
two popular editions of his work, animals in Motion and The Human Figure in
Motion, both still in print via Dover Publications. His work was widely
discussed and featured in numerous journals. No one working in the fields of
photography, optics or nascent cinematography could not have been aware of
Muybridge's work.
A thorough account of Muybridge's lectures and his use of the Zoopraxiscope
in given in a new book written by a friend of mine, Stephen Herbert's
"Eadweard Muybridge: The Kingston Museum Bequest" (further details here:
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~s-herbert/bequest.htm).
I also recommend the Solnit book highly, though curiously she gives
comparatively little attention to Muybridge's sequence photography, on which
his fame largely rests.
For a general account of Muybridge's work, a good starting point (apologies
for plugging it again) is my website, here:
http://www.victorian-cinema.net/muybridge.htm.
Luke
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Luke McKernan
Who's Who of Victorian Cinema
http://www.victorian-cinema.net
Charles Urban, Motion Picture Pioneer
http://website.lineone.net/~luke.mckernan/Urban.htm
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:51:41 +0000
From: Mark Chilton <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: novels with dates
I'd appreciate learning of novels in our period in which incidents of plot
can be dated by date and year (e.g. June 16, 1904).
I thought of another one, H. G. Wells's 1895 The Wonderful Visit:
And the cardinal fact of the case is this, that out in Siddermorton Park,
with the glory of some wonderful world where there is neither sorrow nor
sighing, still clinging to him, on the 4th of August, 1895, stood an
Angel, bright and beautiful, talking to the Vicar of Siddermorton about
the plurality of worlds.
I'd be interested in the results of your labors, as I've speculated on
this decision.
Mark Chilton
>
> From Conrad's The Secret Agent:
>
> It was then five o'clock in the morning, and it was no
> accident either. An hour afterwards one of the steamer's hands
> found a wedding ring left lying on the seat. It had stuck to the
> wood in a bit of wet, and its glitter caught the man's eye. There
> was a date, 24th June 1879, engraved inside.
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:50:03 EST
From: Robert Lapides <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: "old cock"
Thanks for the replies. But I'm afraid I created some
confusion by asking two unrelated questions -- and
asking them not very clearly.
I know that "cock" has been used figuratively for a
"man" for centuries. What I was asking about was
the 2-word phrase "old cock," which is rather like the
common Yiddish phrase *alter kakher,* which means
"old fart," i.e., a crank, a difficult old man. Was this
Yiddish phrase one that Dickens was having fun with,
when he had Sam Weller call Mr. P "old cock." The
only reason I think it's an interesting little point is
that, like "goniff" (which we recently discussed), this
phrase may carry some sociological clues.
As to the second point, I own a copy of the 1811
Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue, which Terry Meyers
cited. But there's only a slight hint in one or two
terms that "cock" will later take on the meaning of
"penis." I think I need stronger evidence than this.
Bob Lapides
bmcc, cuny
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:09:46 +1100
From: David Philips <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Industrial "revolution"
>I am appealing to the collective wisdom of the list with regard to the term
>Industrial "Revolution." What I am trying to ascertain relates to the
>label "revolution." Was this a contemporary designation or was it applied
>after the fact? If the latter, when did this designation become popular?
>Does anyone know of any written contemporary engagements with this idea of
>revolution? Are there any essays/commentaries that yoke the Industrial
>Revolution with the French Revolution in any way?
Although the term was popularised by Arnold Toynbee in the 1880s, it
was coined and used as early as the 1840s. One of the first to use
the term was Friedrich Engels, in his classic 'The Condition of the
Working Class in England' (1845, in German; not translated into
English till 1887). He uses it twice in paragraph 1 of Chap. 1, and
a few places elsewhere in the book. He certainly meant people to
take the use of 'Revolution' as reminding them of the French
Revolution - in its dramatic significance for the world; and, given
Engels' belief in the proletarian revolution to come out of the
Industrial Revolution, he writes, at the end of Chap. 1: "The wrath
of the workers must very soon - one can very nearly fix the date -
lead to a revolution compared with which the French Revolution and
the year 1794 will seem like Child's play."
See the edition of Engels' book translated & edited by WH Chaloner &
WO Henderson; and GN Clark 'The Idea of the Industrial Revolution'
(1953)
--
David Philips
Associate Professor David Philips
Department of History, University of Melbourne
Parkville, Victoria 3010 Australia.
E-mail: [log in to unmask]
Phone: (03) 8344-5973 Fax: (03) 8344-7894
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 10:02:12 +1100
From: Anne Whitfield <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: "old cock"
My old mum, a working class Yorkshire woman used to say, old cock, but it
was said with warmth towards a family male. Something like, "Come in out of
the weather, old cock. Want a cup of tea?"
She only stopped saying it when the grandchildren laughed thinking she meant
something else entirely. She never associated old cock with male genitalia.
It was a fond name.
I have some Scottish friends and the husband calls woman friends, hen. So
maybe in the past woman called men, cock?
Regards,
Anne.~
http://www.geocities.com/anne_whitfield/index.html
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:59:21 -0500
From: Elaine Freedgood <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: industrial revolution
I'm under the impression, largely from historians, that Arnold Toynbee
applied the term to England and popularized it in lectures given in
1884, but Michael Mawson's posting makes me think I'm wrong. I'll be
interested to hear more on this. What is the comparison being made
between Flanders and Ireland, if I can continue that thread publicly (or
privately would be fine too) if Michael doesn't mind answering?
________________________________________
Elaine Freedgood
Department of English
New York University
19 University Place Room 524
New York, NY 10003
212 998 8814
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:57:38 -0600
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Industrial "revolution"
It's been some years, but I recall that Elie Halevy's 'A
History of the English People in the Nineteenth Century'
(first translated into English starting in 1913) may have
given some currency to the notion of a debate on the subject;
for Halevy (if I recall aright) contends that Methodism,
overlaid on an industrializing society in England, prevented
the type of politicial revolution seen on the continent. I
do not recall whether he specifically used the
terms 'industrial revolution' or 'Methodist revolution.'
-James Cornelius [log in to unmask]
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:16:28 -0500
From: Herbert Tucker <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Industrial "revolution"
At 09:09 AM 2/8/05 +1100, you wrote:
>>I am appealing to the collective wisdom of the list with regard to the term
>>Industrial "Revolution." Are there any essays/commentaries that yoke the
>>Industrial
>>Revolution with the French Revolution in any way?
>Although the term was popularised by Arnold Toynbee in the 1880s, it
>was coined and used as early as the 1840s. One of the first to use
>the term was Friedrich Engels
If we don't need the Phrase Itself, such as a concordance would reveal it,
the connection was strongly implied by more than one passage in Carlyle's
1837 *The French Revolution*, and plunked right down on the table a couple
of years later in his *Chartism*. Either there or in *Past and Present*
when we hear of the Irish Sans-potato -- figuring as he does, beyond
himself, the out-of-work industrially displaced manual operative, we are to
open our eyes and think of France.
Herbert F. Tucker
Director of Graduate Studies
Department of English, 219 Bryan Hall
University of Virginia
Charlottesville VA 22904-4121
434 / 924 6677 fax 434 / 924 1478
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 09:16:10 +0800
From: Tamara Wagner <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: invitation to participate in survey of Victorian novels
--- Joseph Carroll <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Dear Colleagues:
> We would like to invite anyone who is
> interested in British novels of the nineteenth
> century to participate in a collective research
> project.
This is a fascinating project and I do hope that the
findings will be posted on VICTORIA. I was wondering
if I could forward the website link to some of my
colleagues and also friends interested in British
novels. Do you have a specific target group in mind?
Happy Chinese New Year Everyone,
Tamara
=====
Tamara S. Wagner
Assistant Professor, English Literature
Website: http://www.ntu.edu.sg/home/tswagner/tamarawagner.htm
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 19:00:39 -0600
From: KL11 <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: RSVP Van Arsdel Prize
Graduate student scholars are invited to submit an essay for the 2005 Van
Arsdel Prize for the best graduate student paper on, about, or extensively
using Victorian periodicals. The papers should be 15-25 pages, and should
not
have appeared in print. The winner receives a plaque, $300, and the
publication of the prize essay in VPR. Deadline is April 1, 2005. Send
submissions to Kathryn Ledbetter, Editor, VPR, Department of English, Texas
State University-San Marcos, 601 University Drive, San Marcos, TX 78666.
Thank you.
Kathryn Ledbetter, Editor
Victorian Periodicals Review
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:20:07 EST
From: Susan Hoyle <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Abridgments and selections
Although I agree that the two are very different animals, there are texts
which could be regarded as between an anthology and an abridgement.
Specifically I am thinking of Fanny Burney's diaries -- there are
numerous editions of
these, some of which iirc overlap very little with others in their selection
-- and there may be other examples from our period of a vast archive being
plundered at different times for different reasons. I don't know whether
this
phenomenon is relevant to the enquirer's studies, but it seems relevant to
the overall question.
Susan
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 20:49:46 -0800
From: Sheldon Goldfarb <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Illness Query
Victoria's archives, as usual, are a good place to start on such a hunt:
there were discussions which might be relevant on such topics as Medical
Patients (Oct. 1997), Male Invalids (Sept. 2000), Victorian Medicine (August
1995), and Invalids (last year).
In the Male Invalids thread, I remember discussing Jos Sedley in Thackeray's
Vanity Fair. In the same novel, you might also look at the old and
perpetually ill Miss Crawley. There is also a discussion between Becky
Sharp and Lady Southdown about medicine in Chapter 44.
Sheldon Goldfarb
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:00:22 -0800
From: Sheldon Goldfarb <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: novels with dates
The central event of Thackeray's *Vanity Fair*, the Battle of Waterloo, of
course has a specific date attached to it.
In Thackeray's *Catherine*, the execution of Catherine (also a real-life
event) is precisely dated in the novel as occurring on May 9, 1726.
(Thackeray does this indirectly by quoting an actual newspaper report of May
10, 1726 which begins by saying "Yesterday ...")
Sheldon Goldfarb
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