You certainly shouldn't be ashamed of raising this at all, John. Far from
it!!! We happen to live in Great Britain in the year 2005, and when we lose
sight of this, we might all as well throw in the towel. I'm afraid that I
could site many areas where disability is going to clash with religion in a
big way, and if we don't like this fact, then it's time to get rid of half
the disability legislation that we've all fought so hard to put in place. I
should know, I'm a guide dog owner, and I've already had to take one
restaurant owner to the DRC for non-compliance with the "Goods and Services"
Act. Access to establishments run by individuals whose religion actively
encourages them to positively discriminate against "the dog" is one of the
major problems facing the guide dog owning community today, but it never
gets media attention (even the Guide Dog Association are terrified to bring
it up) because of the un-pc connotations. Believe me, this makes for a lot
of angry guide dog owners. Please don't write back to me talking jargon
about compromise anyone, because that sort of utopian speak means nothing to
the elderly guide dog owner who can't even go and buy a pint of milk in
his/her local shop, or can't take a taxi in his/her town/village. It
happens, and it happens a lot, and I'm happy to site cases ...
As a practising Catholic, what happens if I suddenly turn biblical
literalist? I'm told in "Leviticus" that:
"If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be
unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her
infirmity shall she be unclean. But if she bear a maid child, then she
shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in
the blood of her purifying threescore and six days."
Does this mean that I have to shun any of my female colleagues whom I
consider to have come back too early from maternity leave?
Thank you, Phil, for some good, honest commonsense.
Paul Jarman,
Learning Development Officer for Students with Disabilities,
400 Chemistry Building,
Queen Mary College, University of London,
Mile End Road,
LONDON. E1 4NS
Tel.: +44 (0)20 7882-3237
Fax: +44 (0)20 7882-5223
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-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff.
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of John Conway
Sent: 09 November 2005 12:02
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Students refusal to let disabled student record group work
I wish I'd never raised this! Certainly I did not mention any religion,
and to disarm any islamophobics, let me say that I first encountered
such an attitude amongst Catholics on Malta who fled in terror when I
got my camera out to photograph a farm scene. Alternatively, when in
Vietnam, I was almost forced to photograph everyone in the market as
they seemed to feel there was some importance in being recorded. Thank
goodness for digital cameras so I could get rid of most.
Dr John S Conway
Principal Lecturer in Soil Science / Chair, Research Committee
Disability Officer
Royal Agricultural College, Cirencester, Glos GL7 6JS
01285 652531 ext 2234 fax 01285 650219
http://www.rac.ac.uk/~john_conway/
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-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff.
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Fozya Sharif
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:30 AM
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Subject: Re: Students refusal to let disabled student record group work
Yes you're right Sharon - there is no mention of what religion the
student belongs to thus, this discussion should not get anti-islamic -
or am I missing the point?!
-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff.
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sharron Sturgess
Sent: 09 November 2005 10:02
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Subject: Re: Students refusal to let disabled student record group work
I think the idea is that they should not knowingly allow photographs,
recordings,images of themselves to be produced. There may well be
exceptions, such as passports, but the fewer the better if you believe
this affects your soul.
Is this discussion getting a bit anti Islamic? If it is your belief
that these activities affect your soul who are we to question that?
Aren't there laws on the way to protect religious intolerance? Disabled
people (of which I am one) are not the only ones protected by the law or
the only ones who have very real needs.
Back to the original point I think Mark Wakehams solution was a
reasonable adjustment all round.
Sharron Sturgess, Loughborough Uni
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Hughes" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: Students refusal to let disabled student record group work
How does this student square the ubiquitous security cameras? Presumably
they don't have a passport (with photograph)???
Jeff
In your message regarding Re: Students refusal to let disabled student
record group work dated Tue, 8 Nov 2005 20:13:35 -0000, Judith
Stansfield said that ...
> a burka? or would that compromise his male-ness?
> Cheers
> Judith
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Conway" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 9:40 AM
> Subject: Re: Students refusal to let disabled student record group
work
> I don't know the legalities, but a lecturer challenged this recently
> as we have an extremely "religious" student who believes that to
> record his voice, just as to photograph his image, takes away part of
> his soul. Solutions please????
> Dr John S Conway
> Principal Lecturer in Soil Science / Chair, Research Committee
> Disability Officer Royal Agricultural College, Cirencester, Glos GL7
> 6JS 01285 652531 ext 2234 fax 01285 650219
> http://www.rac.ac.uk/~john_conway/
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff.
> [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Wakeham, Mark
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 8:03 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Students refusal to let disabled student record group
> work
> Hello Val
> We had a situation similar to this at UWIC. It was agreed that we
> could not force the students to be recorded because it infringes on
> their civil liberties to do so. We also had to progress with the
> groupwork assignment, because it was felt that to cancel it would
> infringe on academic standards.
> We then offered the student a notetaker, which was accepted in the
> short term, but the student felt that this was compromising their
> independence. The final solution was therefore to select individuals
> who were happy to be recorded and make up a working group that way.
> I know that it is not the perfect solution, but it did work in this
> case.
> Hope that helps?
> Mark Wakeham
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Val Green [[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 07 November 2005 21:37
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Students refusal to let disabled student record group work
> We have recently assessed a student who needs, and is her chosen
> method, to record group work. However, the students in the group have
> refused to let her do this, although the lecturer is happy for her to
> do so. Does anyone know what the legalities and solutions are to
> support the student?
> Val Green
> Chace
> Cheltenham Assessment Centre
> 01242 523 567
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