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Re: Freedom of Information Act

From:

Neil Campling <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Issues related to Sites & Monuments Records <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:58:15 +0100

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Dear Roger,

The exemptions are given in Parts 2-44 of Section 21 of the Act.
Personal information is dealt with under the DPA; Environmental
information is dealt with under the EIR, etc.  Any other information not
described by the exemptions is dealt with under the FoI Act.

By the way, I'd be much obliged if you could respond to my letter of 15
September.

Cheers,
Neil Campling


>>> [log in to unmask] 08/10/2004 16:43:45 >>>
Neil, you may be correct to say requests for EI have to be dealt with
under the EIR, not the FOIA (see my second paragraph). I don't know. But
that doesn't make the FOIA 'subsidiary' legislation. As an Act of
Parliament, the FOIA is primary legislation.

I' be interested to know which provisions (of the FOIA, EIR or both?)
make environmental information an 'exemption' from the FOIA. Can you
give me the reference?

Best wishes

Roger

        -----Original Message-----
        From: Issues related to Sites & Monuments Records on behalf of
Neil Campling
        Sent: Fri 08/10/2004 16:27
        To: [log in to unmask]
        Cc:
        Subject: Re: Freedom of Information Act



        Sorry Roger, but requests for environmental information have to
be dealt
        with under the EIR, not the FoI.  One of the "exemptions" from
the FoI
        is the EIR.  That's what is meant by subsidiary.
        Cheers,
        Neil

        >>> [log in to unmask] 08/10/2004 15:26:37
>>>
        I don't think this is quite right. The Freedom of Information
Act 2000
        is just that - an Act of Parliament (a statute) and therefore
primary -
        not 'subsidiary' - legislation. Other statutes and Statutory
Instruments
        will not override the FOIA as a matter of course.

        How the particular provisions of the FOIA relate to those of
other
        legislation (such as the EIR), however, is another matter.

        Roger

        -----Original Message-----
        From: Issues related to Sites & Monuments Records on behalf of
Neil
        Campling
        Sent: Thu 07/10/2004 14:22
        To: [log in to unmask]
        Cc:
        Subject: Re: Freedom of Information Act



                Dear All,

                The FoI Act is subsidiary legislation: other legislation
or
        Statutory
                Instruments, such as the DPA, over-ride the FOI.
Therefore, one
        of the
                exemptions of data from the procedures of the FoI Act is
the
        EIR.
                Please note the 1992 EIR will be replaced by the EIR
2004.  As
        noted
                yesterday, the Statutory Instrument is currently in
draft form
        and will
                be modified as and how we respond to the Code of
Practice.  But
        that
                does not mean that  we won't have to record rrequests
for
        information,
                just that we have to do it under the new EIR, not the
FoI Act.

                cheers,
                Neil


                >>> [log in to unmask] 07/10/2004 09:43:30
>>>
                Many thanks for all the comments. Very useful. As I
feared
        nothing is
                ever
                straight forward...

                Pete - Not sure. I think FoIA probably does override the
1998
                Environmental
                Information (Amendment) Regulations, but would need to
check

                My planning colleagues recently asked for guidance on
certain
        issues,
                Including pre-planning application enquiries, and were
told by
        the FOI
                office:

                The weighting of the FOIA is always in favour of
disclosure and

                authorities
                should think very carefully before applying any
exemption. The
        access
                code
                in section 45 of the Act does advise:

                and

                 although there may well be cases in which it is right
for
        authorities
                to
                declare information exempt under section 41, to avoid
any
        actionable
                breach
                of confidence, it is not a judgement that should be
taken
        lightly.

                Our HER is included in our local authority Publication
Scheme
        and it
                is
                interesting to note Emma that you say that inclusion in
the
        scheme
                means
                that HER information is not subject to FOI enquiries as
the
        resource
                is
                reasonably accessible. I have asked for clarification on
the
        issue of
                whether all enquiries for HER information from 1st Jan
have to
        be
                recorded
                on our corporate FOI enquiry database or whether we
continue to
        record
                them
                as now. How do we know whether an enquiry comes under
the FOI
        Act and
                does
                it really matter, as the HER is accessible anyway?

                Perhaps we could have an update on this issue at the
next HER
        Forum
                meeting?

                Thanks



                Jill

                Jill Collens
                Project Leader - Historic Environment
                +Environmental Planning
                Cheshire County Council
                Backford Hall
                Backford
                Chester CH1 6PZ

                (01244 603204
                :[log in to unmask]

                -----Original Message-----
                From: Iles, Peter [mailto:[log in to unmask]]

                Sent: 06 October 2004 14:46
                To: [log in to unmask]
                Subject: Re: Freedom of Information Act


                Jill - does this new Act override the 1992
Environmental
        Information
                Regulations?  under those regs I belive the following
may be
        true:

                In Section 4 information MAY be not be disclosed if (a)
it
        relates to
                the
                subject of any legal or other proceedings, actual or
prospective
        (inc.
                Local
                Planning Enquiries); (b) it relates to confidential,
internal
                communications
                of the County Council; (c) it is contained in a document
or
        other
                record
                which is still in the course of completion.    (This
latter begs
        the
                question, when is an SMR complete?)

                Information MUST not be disclosed if (a) it was supplied
to the
        County
                Council by another party who was under no legal
obligation to do
        so
                and
                could not have been put under any legal obligation to
supply it
        and has
                not
                consented to its disclosure; (b)  its disclosure would
increase
        the
                likelihood of damage to the environment affecting
anything to
        which
                the
                information relates.

                In Section 3.3 if the request is manifestly unreasonable
or is
                formulated in
                too general a manner it may also be refused.



                Peter Iles
                Specialist Advisor (Archaeology)
                Lancashire County Council Environment Directorate
                PO Box 9
                Guild House
                Cross Street
                Preston
                PR1 8RD

                T 01772 531550
                F 01772 533423
                E [log in to unmask]

                -----Original Message-----
                From: COLLENS, Jill
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]
                Sent: 06 October 2004 10:16
                To: [log in to unmask]
                Subject: Freedom of Information Act


                Dear all

                I have a query about the Freedom of Information Act
which comes
        into
                force
                on 1/1/05 and its implications for HERs. I know we
discussed
        this a
                few
                years ago at the SMR User Group, but here in Cheshire
the
        authority is
                very
                busy informing staff about the implications. Whilst the
        provision of
                data is
                all part of the HER role, I am a little concerned about
some of
        the
                messages
                that are coming back from our service and corporate
Records
        Management
                Officers regarding charging for commercial enquiries
(I'm told
        you can
                only
                charge one tenth of your normal rate which makes it
uneconomic
        to
                charge at
                all), also if anyone requests a copy of all of the data
in the
        HER then
                I am
                told we have to provide it.

                I anyone else getting similar messages and how will the
FOIA
        affect the
                NMR?


                Thanks


                Jill

                Dr Jill Collens
                Project Leader - Historic Environment
                +Environmental Planning
                Cheshire County Council
                Backford Hall
                Backford
                Chester CH1 6PZ

                (01244 603204
                :[log in to unmask]





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