Hi,
   On the point of the UI machines, these were bought (at the instigation of
the Tier-2 Board) with the idea that we have standard front-ends to make
overall problem tracking and debugging easier. While there is no intention
that the current CE/SE etc be switched-off straight away, it would be
appropriate and sensible to plan for a switch-over to the new machines at a
pace set by the local sites. If this poses practical problems, we should air
them; it is meant to be a help, not a hindrance!
   I think we should view this as the first meeting of the TB and the
opportunity to set-up the schedule of future meetings. The chair of the TB
is defined in the MoU we signed.
   Best wishes,
   Roger

-----Original Message-----
From: NorthGrid [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alessandra
Forti
Sent: 22 September 2004 13:06
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Request NORTHGRID technical board meeting

Dear Mike,

let me go through your points

(a) Which board are you talking about?
     There are management board people and system managers and these are
     the people who have been contacted either by me or by roger jones.
     There are two mailing lists: this one and a northgrid-sysadmin which I
     created to contact system managers, unluckily system managers answer
     more easily when I send private emails which on one side I
     understand but it bothers me because they should think in terms of
     northgrid and not in terms of one site. Perhaps this is a problem with
     not having been told exactly what northgrid means.

(b) I gave a talk on this last week part of which was concerning the
     technical issues the sites have.

(c) They are machines as the rest of the machines dedicated to LCG they
     are no different from the equipement already put on the grid. The only
     difference is that they have been bought to be services machines i.e.
     CE SE LCFG and UI. All these services are already in place in all the
     sites so the solution is to use them for other services.

(d) I'm glad you raised the point about having a structure. I guess the
     first point is I'm the technical coordinator and they should refer to
     me when they have a problem as the local people should do already.
     Technical board meetings organisation is definitely one of my tasks.
     Up to now there wasn't really a need since 3 out 4 sites have been up
     and running for months and most of the problems had a local solution
     and didn't need a collective decision.

Said that I think it's a good idea to meet up and take these decisions,
it's about time to give shape to NorthGrid and certainly it will help me
very much, as technical coordinator.

Looking forward to see you.

cheers
alessandra

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Mike Houlden wrote:

> Dear all
>
> We still think it's a good idea to get together soon to
> (a) elect a chairperson and establish lines of person-to-person
> communication within NORTHGRID
> (b) get an overview of the technical issues at each site
> (c) plan the setting up, maintenance etc. of the GRIDPP front ends that is
> suitable and minimises the work each site has to do.
> (d) organise a series of future meetings so that the new Tier-2 staff have
a
> working structure to slot into when they start.
>
> We suggest meeting in Manchester this Friday morning, 24th Sept , starting
> at 11:00 am say.
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alessandra Forti" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 4:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Request NORTHGRID technical board meeting
>
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I do not think this is a technical board problem. How to make things work
>> if a site lacks manpower until the new posts are in place is sincerely
>> something that the system managers cannot decide.
>>
>> Besides the problem concerns only one site (all the others have local
>> manpower) and for a limited period (until new post). So I think that the
>> discussion should be between me and the site. Unless strongly felt that
it
>> is a decision that cancerns everyone or unless Liverpool worries are of
>> other nature.
>>
>> cheers
>> alessandra
>>
>> On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, Roger Jones wrote:
>>
>>> Reading again, this is a request for a TB meeting, so my availability is
>>> not
>>> relevant! Sorry for that!
>>>   Cheers,
>>>      Roger
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NorthGrid [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Roger
>>> Jones
>>> Sent: 21 September 2004 15:37
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: Request NORTHGRID technical board meeting
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>  Sadly, I cannot make a face-2-face meeting before the week beginning 11
>>> October, as I am out of country until then. Could I suggest something on
>>> the
>>> afternoon of 12th?
>>>  Cheers,
>>>     Roger
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NorthGrid [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mike
>>> Houlden
>>> Sent: 21 September 2004 14:15
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Request NORTHGRID technical board meeting
>>>
>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>
>>> Liverpool requests that there is a face-to-face meeting of the NorthGRID
>>> technical board asap to discuss how we handle LCG activities before the
>>> new
>>> Tier-2 people are in post and what is the policy re the GRIDPP front end
>>> machines that arrived last week but are still not unpacked.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>
>