Well, I'm not sure about either Fiona's or Jeremy's "planet", as according
to the BMA the truth lies somewhere in between: staff grade salaries begin
at £29,060 for 10 sessions (£37,778 for 13 sessions) and by year six (i.e.
experienced) they are on £40,960 for 10 sessions (£53,248 for 13 sessions).
After that, there are a further five discretionary points, with the
potential to reach £52,860 for 10 sessions (£68,718 for 13 sessions).

I would agree, however, that in order to get 60K, as suggested by Jeremy,
then this would require a staff grade to be at least at year 8 seniority and
to work with full overtime payments (equating to 52 hours' work per week).
Compare that with an inexperienced SHO on 1A banding, who will earn from
£35,910 to £40,725, and, if on 2A banding, which is still very common, the
inexperienced SHO will be earning £43,092 to £48,870 which could easily
outstrip their more experienced staff grade colleague for a similar number
of hours!

Adrian Fogarty

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fiona Wallace" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: GPSI

>A staff grades remuneration is not that bad really - equal to a salaried
>partner of about 60k without on call or management responsibility, just
>turning up, doing the job and going home again.

Sorry, Jeremy, but what planet are you on? Experienced staff grades take
home around 35K for 13 sessions, including on-call in many departments. They
work evenings and weekends without any additional remuneration over basic
pay. And sessions in A&E are 4 hours, even though everywhere else (including
my MDU subs) regards a session as 3 1/2 hours.
I have yet to meet a SG who has their full complement of discretionary
points (or indeed any at all).

To gain equivalent pay as a salaried GP you have to work 5 sessions weekdays
with no management or OOH.

Fiona.