Senate discussions are in the groups section of Yahoo:
It would be great to produce a joint response. The consultation on the
new third part of the NMC register has not led to any satisfactory
resolution around standards, routes into practice, qualifications,
higher levels of practice etc - the proposed entry competencies were
not acceptable to those expected to implement them due to disagreements
between the DoH and everybody else with a stake in making the system
work, and the DoH ignored the overwhelming majority in favour of some
diverse routes to registration in what is now labelled SCOPH nursing
(specialist community and public health nursing - the exact title has
changed several times) in favour of one narrow entry gate post-RGN. In
England there are at present about 2000 school nurses in practice and
15000 health visitors, plus potentially a wider group of occupational
health nurses, prison nurses, infection control nurses and others
mentioned in the earlier NMC proposals.
The risk for school nurses acting on their own (without the HVs etc) is
that 2000 out of 600,000 people currently covered by the NMC might not
seem important to them, and because of the very diverse backgrounds,
qualifications and roles of current school nurses, they could fall
between the cracks in a clumsy system of registration after 1 April
Life in the NHS is hard enough, but working with/for/under local
government in Children's Trusts is likely to be more complex still:
that is why I personally would like to see the professional education,
qualifications, standards of practice, ethical framework and CPD sorted
out in advance of the tranfer of many colleagues to the new, untried
We live in "interesting times"....
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:22:56 -0000 "Coverdale, Gillian [HES]"
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> Hi Woody,
> I won't be able to get there in March, so this is useful information.
> What exactly are the NMC planning to do? I have not been privvy to any of
> the meetings I'm afraid.
> Can you provide me with the email/web site for the senate debate?
> I would like to be more informed.
> Perhaps we can provide a joint response to Prof Cowley from the group and I
> would be willing to contribute albeit from a disatnce.
> Look forward to hearing from you.
> Best wishes
> Gill Coverdale
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Woody Caan
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: 12/02/04 14:32
> Subject: Re: : March Meeting
> Cheers, Maureen and Sarah.
> The Health Visiting & School Nursing Senate held a very animated
> meeting about the 3rd part of the NMC register this Tuesday, hosted by
> Prof. Sarah Cowley in Kings College London. I came away from this, and
> another meeting on 20/01/04 at the University of Hatfield hosted by
> Prof. Sally Kendall, with the strong impression that the arrangements
> planned for 1 April 2004 are simply not viable re competencies, entry
> routes, employment prospects, continuing professional development,
> higher levels of practice etc - I was so worried at the desperately low
> morale of the HVs present that I wrote something for the Health Service
> Journal about the risk of a collapse of present systems.
> If NFSHE
> members have views on improving or even radically changing registration
> (several options outside of the NMC were discussed on Tuesday, of which
> the most reasonable seemed to be a transfer of some people to the
> Health Professions Council, especially those who will soon be working
> for Children's Trusts) then do write to Sarah Cowley at KCL or join the
> email discussion organised by the Senate:
> it is very important that the voice of school nurses, including school
> health educators, helps to inform future registration !
> There is currently a great deal of tension about April 1st, between the
> DoH and the NMC - if 15,000 English health visitors are having
> difficulty being heard by the DoH (let alone the DfES), what chance
> have 2,000 English school nurses, UNLESS there is a collective voice
> through groups like NFSHE.
> With apologies to Scottish and Irish colleagues, to whom all this is
> On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 14:11:53 +0000 Maureen Smith
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > Hello everyone
> > Please find attached the minutes of the last meeting and agenda. We
> > had some apologies for the meeting - thank you. We look forward to
> > everyone else. If you need any directions to the Walsall Campus there
> is a
> > map on the University web site. The conference centre is the first
> > on the left, off Gorway Road, just before you enter the main campus.
> > is a car park available. We are looking to start around 11.30 to give
> > people time to arrive.
> > Kind Regards
> > Maureen and Sarah
> Woody Caan
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