Hi David,
I gather that what Chris was pointing out is that the slogan "Civil Rights
for Disabled People" (as opposed to the slogan "Disability Rights") was used
in the campaign as a form of *demand*: i.e., as "Disabled People, we demand
Civil Rights," or "We demand Civil Rights for Disabled People." In this
sense, then, the gist of the slogan is forward-looking, that is, calls for
something that has *not yet* been achieved, or something should be seen as a
goal.
Best regards,
Shelley Lynn Tremain
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Quarter" <[log in to unmask]>
To: "Shelley Lynn Tremain" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: European research agendas
>
>
> I agree with Shelley. Yet, I also wonder whether the idea of acheiving
civil rights for Disabled
> people is not oxymoronic? It would seem, at least, that if someone
> is disabled by society, and part of this process relates to her or his
> lack of civil rights, then the notion that they can somehow be
> disabled and at the same time hold civil rights is contradictory.
>
> I'm throwing this out more as a question than an argument.
>
> David
>
>
>
> Date sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:50:28 -0800
> Send reply to: Shelley Lynn Tremain <[log in to unmask]>
> From: Shelley Lynn Tremain <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: European research agendas
> To: [log in to unmask]
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> > Yes, the slogan "Civil Rights for Disabled People" would certainly be
> > consistent with the social model definition of disability in the way
that
> > Mark Priestley's initial reference to "disabilty rights" was not.
> > Inconsistencies of this sort can in fact be found in the work of most of
the
> > (male) social model theorists (e.g., Barnes, Oliver, Finkelstein,
Priestley,
> > etc., etc.).
> >
> > Dr. Shelley Lynn Tremain
> > Department of Philosophy
> > Wilfrid Laurier University
> > Waterloo, ON Canada
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chris Benson" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 8:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: European research agendas
> >
> >
> > That is possibly why during the campaign for the DDA in the UK people
> > campaigned for Civil Rights for Disabled People
> >
> > Chris Benson
> > Legal Officer
> > The Disability Rights Commission
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shelley Lynn Tremain [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: 23 January 2004 19:28
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: European research agendas
> >
> >
> > I think (not surprisingly) that you are both wrong.
> >
> > The term "disability rights" uses the term "disability" in the way that
> > proponents of the social model identify as an aspect of the medical
model:
> > namely, disability as a property of a person. The term "disability
rights"
> > is intended to mean that even people who have a disability deserve
rights
> > (economic, human, social, etc.) equal to those who don't have a
disability.
> > Similarly, "women's rights" means that people who are women are
deserving of
> > the same rights that people who are not women have.
> >
> > This use of the term "disability" is inconsistent with the way that the
> > social model defines "disability".
> >
> > Shelley Lynn Tremain
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Priestley" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 8:14 AM
> > Subject: Re: European research agendas
> >
> >
> > Keith wrote...
> >
> > > When we campaign for "disability rights" we are for the human rights
> > of people who have been denied civil rights through no fault...
> >
> > > Mark, maybe you might like to add some more comments.
> >
> > ..err... no, I think that about sums it up for the moment...
> >
> > Best wishes
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:42:31 -0800 , Shelley Lynn Tremain
> > <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >What could "disability rights" possibly mean under the terms of your
> > social
> > >model? The right to be oppressed? The right to be discriminated
> > against?
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