The 30 minutes per 4 hours worked comes from page 25 of the Junior doctors' handbook. So by
combining that with page 40, what you are saying is that they have to have a rest, and the Trust
has to pay them for it!
Page 40:
Actual work: the definition of hours of actual work will be that
definition used in the New Deal (ie includes all time carrying
out tasks for the employer, including periods of formal
study/teaching, but does not include rest while on-call –
(see page 23). For the purposes of defining work after 7pm,
work begins when a doctor is disturbed from rest and ends when
that rest is resumed. This includes, for example, time spent
waiting to perform a clinical duty* and time spent giving advice
on the telephone.
Rest: All time on duty when not performing or waiting to
perform* a clinical or administrative task, and not undertaking a
formal educational activity; but including time spent sleeping.
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> The European Working Time Directive allows for a 20 min break whereas =
> the New Deal says 30 mins. I'm not sure about the 1 hr break. Anyway =
> I've already asked the question and they are given paid breaks..... =
> nursing staff as you pointed out are not paid for breaks. This is
> likely =
> to cause some friction in the ranks over the next few years.
>
> Every hour has to be accounted for. So as the SHOs are paid to attend =
> teaching sessions.... if they don't turn up then they are allocated a =
> shift in A&E. They are not paid to attend if on nights. If they have a =
> valid reason for not attending that can be agreed in advance.
>
> Alas Morecambe Bay is a pilot site for this.
>
> Ray McGlone
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> From: "Rowley Cottingham" <[log in to unmask]>
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> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 9:08 PM
> Subject: SHO hours
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> > According to the junior doctors' handbook, a junior must have a =
> restbreak of 30 minutes after every
> > 4 hours, and so in an 8 hour shift is entitled to a 30 minute rest =
> break and in a 9 hour shift a 1 hour
> > break.
> >=20
> > Therefore, if a junior is rostered for a 9 hour shift (say 8 to 17) =
> they are paid for and work (so far as
> > the New Deal is concerned) 8 hours. That is, exactly the same =
> rationale as nursing shifts. Correct?
> >=20
> > I ask because currently our juniors are being paid band 2a as the =
> average week is 48-50 hours which
> > will fall to 1a and 43-45hours if we are not paying them for rest =
> periods.
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> > Best wishes,
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> > Rowley Cottingham
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The European Working Time Directive =
> allows for a 20=20
> min break whereas the New Deal says 30 mins. I'm not sure about the 1
> hr =
> break.=20
> Anyway I've already asked the question and they are given paid =
> breaks.....=20
> nursing staff as you pointed out are not paid for breaks. This is
> likely =
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> cause some friction in the ranks over the next few years.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Every hour has to be accounted for. So
> =
> as the SHOs=20
> are <STRONG>paid</STRONG> to attend teaching sessions.... if they don't
> > =
> turn up=20
> then they are allocated a shift in A&E. They are not paid to =
> attend if=20
> on nights. If they have a valid reason for not attending that can =
> be agreed=20
> in advance.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Alas Morecambe Bay is a pilot site
> for=20
> this.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ray McGlone</FONT></DIV>
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From: "Rowley Cottingham"
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> size=3D2>> According to the junior doctors' handbook, a junior must =
> have a=20
> restbreak of 30 minutes after every<BR>> 4 hours, and so in an 8
> hour =
> shift=20
> is entitled to a 30 minute rest break and in a 9 hour shift a 1 =
> hour<BR>>=20
> break.<BR>> <BR>> Therefore, if a junior is rostered for a 9 hour
> =
> shift=20
> (say 8 to 17) they are paid for and work (so far as<BR>> the New
> Deal =
> is=20
> concerned) 8 hours. That is, exactly the same rationale as nursing =
> shifts.=20
> Correct?<BR>> <BR>> I ask because currently our juniors are being
> =
> paid=20
> band 2a as the average week is 48-50 hours which<BR>> will fall to
> 1a =
> and=20
> 43-45hours if we are not paying them for rest periods.<BR>> <BR>>
> =
> Best=20
> wishes,<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Rowley Cottingham<BR>> <BR>> =
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