Dear All,
Please find attached the weekly GridPP Project Management
Board Meeting minutes. The latest minutes can be found each week in:
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/php/pmb/minutes.php?latest
as well as being listed with other minutes at
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/php/pmb/minutes.php
Cheers, Tony
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Tony Doyle, GridPP Project Leader Telephone: +44-141-330 5899
Rm 478, Kelvin Building Telefax: +44-141-330 5881
Dept of Physics and Astronomy EMail: [log in to unmask]
University of Glasgow Web: http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~doyle
G12 8QQ, UK Video - IP: 194.36.1.32
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GridPP PMB Minutes 153 - 29th November 2004
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Present: Tony Doyle, Dave Britton, Steve Lloyd, Robin Middleton, Sarah
Pearce & Tony Cass.
Present by audio: John Gordon, Dan Tovey, Dave Kelsey, Jeremy Coles,
Roger Jones & Peter Clarke.
1. UB Input to Tier-1/A Planning Figures
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DT reported that this had been discussed at the UB last Wednesday and that
a website has since been created. He had sent emails to the UB and to a
list of contacts for other experiments but had not received many comments
as yet. Andy Parker however had pointed out that Tier-2 contributions had
not been pinned down and therefore it was not clear which experiments were
covered under the present planning exercise. TD noted that the output to
LCG planning included the Tier-2 planning figures from the Tier-2 Board
including allocations by experiment.
SNO (Oxford, RAL and Sussex) had requested allocation of resources and
this would be determined by the number of M&O authors' numbers though it
was unlikely that the full allocation of tape & CPU could be provided (as
with all experiments).
The board proposed that DB's current spreadsheet should be updated to
include a SNO allocation. DB noted he had to get up to date tape numbers
from AS, but apart from this the Tier-1 planning sheet was in a
releasable form.
See
http://www.hep.ph.ic.ac.uk/CMS/IC_GridPP/Tier1Plan11.htm
2) Release of Planning Figures for LCG Phase-2 Planning
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JG asked what submission was needed for Wednesday's meeting regarding the
agenda and TD said there would be a presentation on tape performance and
cost issues from Bernd Panzer. A document would be sent to Chris Eck
along with DB's input numbers for the spreadsheet. TD said he would
prepare a short document
See
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/tier1a/board/doc/LCG_MoU_output_Dec04.doc
On LCG general planning, TC offered references to the latest LHCC
comprehensive reviews.
See
http://agenda.cern.ch/fullAgenda.php?ida=a043872
He also said the LR was attending a POB meeting today and would be
reporting on the overall status of LCG. NG would also be attending this
meeting and would be referring to the previously agreed October planning
figures (as well as the work in progress noted above).
See
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/tier1a/board/doc/LCG_MoU_output_Oct04.doc
3) OC Papers
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The agenda has now been received from PPARC for the meeting on Jan
10th. Input from each area was agreed as follows:
Executive Summary - author TD (on behalf of PMB)
Document Number - GridPP-PMB-40-Exec
LCG Status Report - author TC
Document Number - GridPP-PMB-41-LCG
EGEE Issues - authors RM, JG
Document Number - GridPP-PMB-42-EGEE
Deployment Report - authors DK, JC
Document Number - GridPP-PMB-43-Deployment Board
Middleware/Security/Network Report - author RM
Document Number - GridPP-PMB-44-M/S/N
Applications Report - authors RJ, DT
Document Number - GridPP-PMB-45-Applications
Tier-1/A Report - authors TD, JG
Document Number - GridPP-PMB-46-Tier-1/A
Dissemination - author SP
Document Number - GridPP-PMB-47-Dissemination
Project Map - author DB
Document Number - GridPP-PMB-48-Project Map
Resource Report - author - DB
Document Number - GridPP-PMB-49-Resources
There will be no individual report for Tier-2 as this can be
briefly covered in the exec. summary and the (now-signed) MoU.
Quarterly reports for the third quarter will also be required from all
areas. These are now overdue and urgent.
NEW ACTION: TD to send reminders for quarterly reports
(where they have not been completed this week, 3rd December).
The deadline for the numbered documents above is 10th December except
for the Executive Summary which is required for 13th December. TD also
said we should have a reasonable draft of JPhysG in place should the OC
wish to refer to it.
4) JPhysG Status
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SP said that further progress had been made but some areas were still
outstanding. NG would write a section on NGS for the introduction, the
Applications area was fine except for ALICE. RM would look at the
Middleware chapter later in the week. JC would review the chapter on
Deployment. The Management section was OK and SL needed some
information from JG and RM for the summary and conclusion. SP said she
would send out a version before Christmas to ensure it would be ready in
time for the OC as a reference point.
5) GridPP 12
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Peter Hobson joined by phone - TD had prepared a draft agenda for
discussion. SL noted that a Tier-2 board meeting would not be required.
RM asked why M/S/N was in parallel & plenary sessions as it was not useful
to do the same material twice.
It was decided that the parallel sessions be merged into a discussion on
top ten issues instead with some provocateurs. TD would email invited
speakers. Space would be made available on Tuesday for John Walsh to talk
on Grid use in Ireland. The PMB would have a meeting at the end of the
session on Tuesday evening. The URL for the new agenda is:
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/gridpp12/programme.html
Registration will open on 1st December once the registration form is
confirmed as working.
6) EGEE Meeting Report
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Not discussed due to over-run.
REVIEW OF ACTIONS
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140.2 RJ to finalise BaBar logbook
ongoing - progress made on Monte Carlo side, but there is limited input
on the analysis side.
140.6 RJ to finalise CMS logbook
ongoing - some progress has been made though some iteration is required
within CMS.
140.9 RM to finalise LHC Deployment Logbook (reinstated)
ongoing
140.12 RM to finalise Security and VO Services logbook
ongoing - a series of comments have been passed between DB, RM & AMcN, now
to be tidied up and finalised.
140.15 RM to finalise Workload Management Services logbook
ongoing - another version has been done and discussed with DB. Only the
risks still have to be done.
143.1 TC to investigate source RPMs at CERN
ongoing - further discussion taking place with Ian Bird and Les Robertson.
TC noted following the meeting that current build system cannot be made to
produce SRPMs without significant effort. If people wish to port the LCG
middleware they will need to install a build system locally themselves and
work from the CVS repository. The GD group at CERN will help with this
activity. This will be discussed further next week.
145.4 RJ to ensure quarterly reports from the Applications are completed
ongoing
145.5 RM to ensure quarterly reports on Middleware areas are produced
ongoing - waiting for input from AS
153.1 TD to gather data for quarterly reports.
STANDING ITEMS
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SI-1 ALL: to provide any news items and meeting dates for the web page to
SP. SP said she had posted an item on the release of Optorsim 2.0. Next
she would look at placing an item regarding the numbers of hits on the
website.
SI-2 Production Manager's weekly report of issues.
JC had left the meeting before this point.
ACTIONS AS AT 29th NOVEMBER 2004
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140.2 RJ to finalise BaBar logbook
140.6 RJ to finalise CMS logbook
140.9 RM to finalise LHC Deployment Logbook (reinstated)
140.12 RM to finalise Security and VO Services logbook
140.15 RM to finalise Workload Management Services logbook
143.1 TC to investigate source RPMs at CERN
145.4 RJ to ensure quarterly reports from the Applications are completed
145.5 RM to ensure quarterly reports on Middleware areas are produced
153.1 TD to send reminders for quarterly reports
STANDING ITEMS
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SI-1 ALL: to provide any news items and meeting dates for the web page to
SP.
SI-2 Production Manager's weekly report of issues.
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