Yes I agree that for some reason a lot of postings are negative which is
a shame. 

I do however think it was v poor that the information community was
misled into thinking that Aslib's problems could be due to 9/11!! This
defies logical sense and leads to a general sense of mistrust.

Perhaps when the accountants pour over the balance sheets they will be
able to ascertain the true picture. I suspect that action should have
been taken much earlier by those who knew the real position and
presumably left loyal staff in the dark.

Jackie Fishleigh 

-----Original Message-----
From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Prof Bruce Royan
Sent: 17 December 2004 16:48
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Future of Aslib

Nicole
Can I just say that the generally bitchy and negative tone of a lot of
the postings on this list (not just about ASLIB), doesn't reflect the
outlook of the majority of CILIP members, who will I believe be saddened
to see ASLIB so troubled, and especially concerned that some sort of
resolution should be found for ASLIB's loyal staff, especially at this
time of year.
Very best wishes
Bruce


-----Original Message-----
From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Aslib Training
Sent: 16 December 2004 11:19
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Future of Aslib

On behalf of all the Aslib staff, it has been sad to see all the
comments displayed.

I am pleased to say that this isn't representative of everyone in the
profession: we have had a tremendous amount of support and there is
obviously a widespread desire for Aslib to continue its valuable
contribution to the profession.

Nicole Adamides
Aslib Training



>From: Stella Dextre Clarke <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: Chartered Library and Information Professionals 
><[log in to unmask]>
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>Subject: Re: Future of Aslib
>Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:19:15 -0000
>
>Hear Hear! Aslib has been going down the hill for the last 25 years or 
>more, and it's no use weeping for the glory days of Belgrave Square.
>Maybe useful to buy their membership mailing list before it becomes too

>out of date? And CILIP/TFPL could approach the individuals who lead the

>more successful training courses, to add to their own portfolios? The 
>journals have already gone to Emerald, so nothing to salve there. And 
>as for the library collection - last time I visited the neglect was 
>painful to behold. The once renowned collection of thesauri still had a

>few jewels, but who wants the reference works of the seventies and
eighties?
>Only a few dedicated scholars.
>Stella
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals 
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of C.Oppenheim
>Sent: 15 December 2004 10:37
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Future of Aslib
>
>
>I agree with Ian;  perhaps the only thing worth having is the goodwill 
>associated with the name Aslib, and I suspect it's value is not that 
>great any more.
>
>Charles
>
>Professor Charles Oppenheim
>Department of Information Science
>Loughborough University
>Loughborough
>Leics LE11 3TU
>
>Tel 01509-223065
>Fax 01509-223053
>e mail [log in to unmask]
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ian Johnson" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 10:22 AM
>Subject: Re: Future of Aslib
>
>
>The real issue is whether any prospective buyer would operate Aslib as 
>a pure commercial entity like Tfpl, or try to continue as membership 
>based association.  Aslib has masqueraded as a professional association

>for a long time, but there is little obvious evidence that it has 
>represented the corporate bodies' interests in any significant and 
>useful way in recent years.  As  a commercial entity, it has been 
>'selling off the family silver' for years, and has nothing left to sell

>other than its name and the business record of its training and 
>consultancy activities, both of which have an unpredictable potential.
>What they are worth is therefore debatable, and I'm not sure that I 
>would want CILIP to invest in purchasing them rather than developing 
>its own activities in the same fields.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals 
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of JACKIE FISHLEIGH
>Sent: 15 December 2004 10:00
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Future of Aslib
>
>
>I was amazed that a UK library membership group could go under as a 
>direct result of the consequences of 9/11. Charles Oppenheim's 
>explanation makes far more sense to me. I think we should be honest 
>about the difficulties faced by Aslib because if these are not properly

>resolved what future can there be.
>
>Jackie Fishleigh
>Librarian
>Payne Hicks Beach
>10 New Square
>Lincoln's Inn
>WC2A 3QG
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals 
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Crawford, John
>Sent: 15 December 2004 09:49
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Future of Aslib
>
>
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals on 
>behalf of Alan Pritchard
>         Sent: Wed 15/12/2004 08:50
>         To: [log in to unmask]
>         Cc:
>         Subject: Re: Future of Aslib
>
>
>
>         > I wonder whether CILIP would consider this an opportunity to

>discuss
>         > with Aslib the possible merger of the two organisations.
>There is almost
>         > complete overlap in subject interests, and it would seem 
>better to have
>         > one strong organisation representing both individual and 
>corporate
>         > members of the profession.
>         >
>         > Besides, a joint organisation might then end up with a 
>library again!
>         >
>
>         I found that very sad. I did a summer work placement at 
>Belgrave Square
>         when I was a student. Spent a lot of time reading old journals

>(ProcBSIB,
>         JDoc etc) But before I fully go into 'boring old fart 
>reminiscing' mode, I
>         do have a more substantial point.
>
>         I just wonder if a single organisation consisting of both 
>personal and
>         corporate members could actually work. Other than just having 
>a few of the
>         latter as supporting members. There are enough conflicts of 
>interests with
>         differing segments of personal members, but I could see much 
>more
>         fundamental conflict between, say, the LA acting as the 
>professional
>         regulator of special librarians and attempting to represent 
>the interests
>         of the corporate employers of those librarians.
>
>         I may be out of date, but I am not aware of any major 
>organisations which
>         operate on this model. BCS, IEE, IoD - personal members. CBI 
>etc
>-
>         corporate members.
>
>         Best wishes
>         Alan Pritchard
>         The GLOBAL GAZETTEER(tm): the world on file
>         http://www.allm-geodata.com
>         Tel: +44 (0) 1202 417 477
>
>         NOTE my new email address: [log in to unmask]

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