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Subject:

Re: Springer's latest rip off

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"C.Oppenheim" <[log in to unmask]>

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An informal open list set up by the UK Serials Group <[log in to unmask]>

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Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:01:34 -0000

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For what it is worth, if online is "free with print", then no VAT is
charged;  if online and print are joined equally, then I suspect HM Customs
and Excise will want to charge VAT on the whole price (or possibly some
proportion of it).

Charles

Professor Charles Oppenheim
Department of Information Science
Loughborough University
Loughborough
Leics LE11 3TU

Tel 01509-223065
Fax 01509-223053
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Caroline Moss-Gibbons" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: Springer's latest rip off


Dear All,
Nicholas Lewis raises a very interesting point regarding 'ownership' of
electronic content if forcibly added to a print subscription.  I would be
very interested to hear from others in the serials cycle (eg agents and
publishers) about their view on it.  Perhaps the UKSG could get some
represenatatives around the table to debate some of the issues and publish
in 'Serials'.  It would be unfortunate if this turned into a battle between
different interested parties.

A personal soap-box:  these types of individual title subscriptions, from
any publisher, should not be described as 'free with print' though, as it is
a combined subscription (especially if not optional) then it is "included in
the price" NOT 'free'.

Best regards,
Caroline

__________________________________________________________

Caroline Moss-Gibbons
Manager - Library & Information Services
Royal College of Physicians
11 St Andrews Place
Regent's Park
London
NW1 4LE

Tel: +44 (0)20 7935  1174  x315
e-mail:  [log in to unmask]
http://www.RCPLondon.ac.uk
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-----Original Message-----
From: Lewis Nicholas Mr (LIB) l002 [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 26 November 2004 11:09
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Springer's latest rip off


This is a very interesting issue because I don't think there was ever an
option to purchase print + paid online in the past, only print + free
online. Correct me if I'm wrong.

The legal question is whether a purchase of "print + free online" is a
binding agreement - i.e. that the institution is therefore entitled to that
access because it was listed as part of the print subscription. I would
argue that, if there was no alternative for actually purchasing the online
with print, it should be seen as part of each print subscription we bought.

If so, the sensible way forward is for Springer to continue to allow online
access to all the years where institutions have clearly purchased the print
with free online option. They are of course at liberty to charge for the
online from 2005 onwards.

The problem is, if this is past agreement is not honoured, it opens the way
for many more publishers to effectively "write-off" archival access to all
past "free online" access which would be a very worrying precedent.

I think it would be helpful to engage positively with Springer on this one
as I'm sure they'll be keen to retain subscriptions. I expect it's part of
the Springer/Kluwer merger issue which seeks to standardise the approaches
for both publishers.

Nick

Nicholas Lewis
Electronic Resources Librarian & Subject Librarian
The Library, University of East Anglia,
Norwich, Norfolk, England, NR4 7TJ
Tel: +44(0)1603-592382 Fax: +44(0)1603-591010
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-----Original Message-----
From: An informal open list set up by the UK Serials Group
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Linda Davies
Sent: 26 November 2004 10:33
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Springer's latest rip off

Hi

I have checked the archive, but can't find any discussion of Springer's
latest move. I wondered if anyone else is as annoyed as I am that Springer
are now expecting us to pay an additional fee for "enhanced" access to our
subscribed titles in 2005.  The so called enhancement is the option to pay
more to Springer to retain our access to the volumes from 2004 backwards.
This isn't an archive deal - it is material that we've already paid for in
our subscriptions over the years.

I don't regard this as an enhancement, I regard it as a rip-off and I have
told the Schools that I liaise with exactly what I think.

It could cost one of our Schools over £6K to maintain access, on top of the
huge subs they already pay.  The average increase is 15%, with one title
having a massive 31% increase.  My advice to this School would be to cancel
the whole lot in order to send a message to Springer that this is
unacceptable.  Unfortunately they won' t be in a position to do this.

I suspect the response from Springer will be that the e access was "free" in
the past - but we all know that for most publishers free e access was
granted at the same time as an almighty print price hike several years ago.

Just wondered if anyone else was feeling as irate as me.  I'm off to move
Springer up my list of most loathed publishers.

best wishes
Linda

--
Linda Davies, Science & Biomedical Sciences Librarian,
Information Services, Cardiff University
PO Box 430, CARDIFF, CF24 0DE
Tel: 029 2087 0075.  Email: [log in to unmask]

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