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Re: Data Protection Consultant

From:

Tim Trent <[log in to unmask]>

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Tim Trent <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 7 Dec 2004 12:58:04 -0000

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If we weren't interested would it be based elsewhere?

Is it Friday yet? 

-----Original Message-----
From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Hugo Brown
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 12:54 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [data-protection] Data Protection Consultant

BTW - For those who are interested the role is based in North London N22

Kind regards,

Hugo 

-----Original Message-----
From: Hugo Brown
Sent: 07 December 2004 11:46
To: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]
Subject: Data Protection Consultant

Hi all - I've not been in touch for a long time, I hope your well

I have a new role to work on and they want to fill this ASAP, I have a full
job description if you require further information, however, in brief the
details are as follows.

1) The role now cover all areas of Information Governance.
2) We are not designated as a public body under the Freedom of Information
Act, however a recent ruling designated us as a public body for EU
Procurement purposes. So I suspect this will come onto the agenda..
3) BS7799 is now being looked at.
4) We have recently setup an Information governance forum which covers the
whole Group.

Annual Salary up to £34k(+PRP @ 4.5 %)
35 Hour Week
Flexi Time
Final Salary Contributory Pension Scheme 

Look forward to hearing from you 

Kind regards,

Hugo

-----Original Message-----
From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Hughes
Sent: 02 December 2004 15:07
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: FW: [data-protection] Research

Hmmm I'm not so sure they should be criticised for remaining grammatically
accurate, even if it does sound odd.  No worse than answering the phone
"This is he" rather than the universal "Speaking" (or in my case before
9.30am ... "WHAT!").



-----Original Message-----
From: Antoinette Carter [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 02 December 2004 15:12
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [data-protection] Research


And another thing!!!!  I don't even like the title!!  I know "data" is used
in the singular and in the plural, but doesn't "What are Personal Data"
sound weird; rather than "What is Personal Data".



-----Original Message-----
From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tim Trent
Sent: 02 December 2004 14:27
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [data-protection] Research

The real issue is always context.

"What is personal data?" or "Is 'shoe size' personal data?" are not
questions that can be posed in isolation.  Ignoring the word "Living" at
present, the question to be posed is "Is 'shoe size' personal data if it is
linked in some precise manner to a particular individual?"

It is relatively simple to see that 'shoe size' in isolation is not personal
data, but that "Tim Trent's shoe size is X" is personal data.

-----Original Message-----
From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tim Turner
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 1:46 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [data-protection] FW: [data-protection] Research

I think I understand what they are saying, and I think that they have a
point.

There are people who operate less on a clear understanding of the
legislation, and more on a fuzzy, almost incoherent set of assumptions and
instincts. They then get annoyed with people at the Commissioner's office,
when they stick to what the words in the Act (and associated
regulations)
actually say, rather than what these people want to hear. Some people seem
to fix upon concepts like privacy and confidentiality when what they should
be doing is concentrating on what the Act (and for example the Privacy and
Electronic Communications Regs) say. If all else fails, people cling to the
notion of the "spirit of the Act", which is ironic given how soulless the
DPA actually is.

I witnessed so-called experts in heated debate about what personal data is
all about, but to be honest, such debates are usually more about instinct
and assumption that hard fact. I'm not saying I'm necessarily any different,
but I don't think that there is a clear, legally-sound definition of
"personal data" around which everyone can warm their hands. If there was
one, whatever it was, a significant minority would immediately reject it as
too broad, or two narrow.

Tim Turner
Data Protection Officer
Wigan Council

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> From:         John Hughes[SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Reply To:     [log in to unmask]
> Sent:         02 December 2004 12:53
> To:   [log in to unmask]
> Subject:      [data-protection] FW: [data-protection] Research
>
> Interesting sentence on page 7 of "What are personal data":
>
> "Where there is a large literature on data protection, the 
> interpretation of 'personal data' is seldom addressed, and the meaning 
> of the concept tends to be assumed rather than rigorously analysed."
>
> Funny, I rather had the impression that it had been analysed to death 
> and pulled to pieces in a dozen different directions. Nor am I aware 
> of anyone who is involved in the application of data protection having 
> assumptions about its meaning - very much the opposite. It stikes me 
> as a very strange comment.
>
> John
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DREW Nic [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 02 December 2004 08:20
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [data-protection] Research
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>
> The IC has published Research Finding's on, amongst other things, 
> "What are personal data"
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> http://www.informationcommissioner.gov.uk/eventual.aspx?id=6841
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> Nic
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