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Re: PVP List

From:

Ian Welton <[log in to unmask]>

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Ian Welton <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:09:54 +0100

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Tim Turner on 25 June 2004 at 09:24 said:-

> A report in a newspaper isn't something I'd considered using 
> to populate the
> system, but if it referred to a conviction, it seems a fair 
> thing to do. 

When setting up any database containing information based on the outcome of
court proceedings remember to include processes/mechanisms to capture appeal
proceeding outcomes, or the data will not be maintained correctly for
purpose and will eventually leave the organisation vulnerable (e.g. Showing
John Smith recorded, when on appeal it was found that John Brown was the
actual party involved).  As the media do not report all court cases from all
of the courts, other channels would need to be used.

Ian W

 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection 
> issues [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tim Turner
> Sent: 25 June 2004 09:24
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: PVP List
> 
> 
> With a very po-faced expression...
> 
> In my opinion, it's reasonable to use the data. If someone 
> whispered gossip
> in the car park about someone's alleged violent tendencies, I 
> wouldn't put
> it on our warning system unless I had a quick and clean 
> method of verifying
> the information. Our warning system is being set up, but it's 
> designed to
> contain reports from staff who have experienced violence, or 
> data received
> from sources which we can trust (which at the moment means 
> the police).
> 
> A report in a newspaper isn't something I'd considered using 
> to populate the
> system, but if it referred to a conviction, it seems a fair 
> thing to do. If
> it comes down to a choice between the privacy rights of someone with a
> conviction for violence whose activities are a matter of 
> public record, and
> avoiding risks to staff (even slight risks), I'm not exactly 
> put in a moral
> quandary about which way to jump.
> 
> As an aside about who to share with, because we're setting up 
> a system, I
> would want to see if it works internally before thinking 
> about sharing with
> other organisations.
> 
> Tim Turner
> Data Protection Officer
> Wigan Council
> 
> > ----------
> > From:         Cashmore, Stuart[SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > Reply To:     Cashmore, Stuart
> > Sent:         25 June 2004 09:06
> > To:   [log in to unmask]
> > Subject:      Re: [data-protection] PVP List
> >
> > With my tongue firmly in my cheek...
> >
> > If, as you say, you are the sort of small rural community 
> where everybody
> > knows everybody else, why would you need to use a PVP marker. Surely
> > everybody will know about this person anyway?   :)
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Broom, Doreen [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: 23 June 2004 17:00
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: PVP List
> >
> > ***** THIS EMAIL WAS SENT VIA THE INTERNET *****
> >
> > All
> >
> > Another on this subject....Picture this scene - coming from 
> a very rural
> > area - everyone know's someone basically.  Anyway - article 
> appears in
> > local
> > paper that J. Bloggs has mugged a 70 year old lady.  The 
> Group I have been
> > meeting with say that they would wish to put those details 
> on a PVP List
> > especially if their staff were meeting with that person. I 
> was of the
> > assumption that you couldn't do this - just because they 
> have mugged an
> > old
> > lady doesn't mean to say they could do the same to a member 
> of staff - it
> > may have been an isolated incident.....but.......The more I 
> have thought
> > about it - an article appearing in the press is in the 
> public domain and
> > court appearances are in the public domain so could we use this?
> >
> > Also can we share this information with other agencies or 
> should each case
> > be decided on an individual basis...i.e. need to know e.g. 
> DWP/Health
> > etc.?
> > This is taking so long to get off the ground - any pointers 
> anyone?  Also,
> > do you use traffic light system of risk analysis and how 
> often for review?
> >
> > Any help greatly appreciated...it seems that most other 
> Councils up here
> > haven't really got this off the ground according to 
> information received
> > by
> > the Group.
> >
> > Help....Help.........
> >
> > Doreen
> > Doreen Broom
> > Access to Information Officer
> > Scottish Borders Council
> > Tel: 01835 826516
> > Fax: 01835 825041
> >
> >
> >
> >
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