As an access officer, who is also a wheelchair user (presently working from
home) due to the dispute on what should the risk assessment and procedure
be for disabled people working above or below ground floor level, taking
into account a normal lift cannot be used.
I don't have the answer but these are the questions being asked at my
authority -
Evacu chairs - People need to be trained in how to use these chairs to
evacuate disabled people from the building, a couple of concerns
what happens if the trained people are out of the office, off sick or on
holiday when the chairs are needed?
-what happens if the disabled person has to be physically lifted onto
the evacu chairs, two concerns manual moving and handling
recommendations - no physical lifting without auxiliary aids and/or
equipment
human rights - dignity of the disabled person being man-handled
what is the procedure if more than one person requires use of an evacu
chair?
I don't have the answers but am very interested in what other authorities
do in their buildings in the absence of evacuation lifts.
Karen Beattie
Swyddog Mynediad/Access Officer
Ffon/Tel 01824 708052
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Upgrading of lifts
I would welcome any thoughts on the provision of lifts that can be used
as evacuation lifts for those unable to walk up and down stairs. Neither
the guidance on the fire regulations nor BS5588 Part 8 actually refers
to travelling distances for disabled people to a position of "safety" or
to a lift.
My understanding, on which I'd welcome a view, is that cited
distances/times refer to escape via normal escape routes such as
stairways, and the provision of an evacuation lift is a bonus if
provided. If an "Evac- chair" is used it may well take longer to
evacuate from an adjacent stairwell than to travel to another stairwell
further away on the same floor and use a lift. I appreciate that the key
is fire prevention in the first instance (as part of the whole
assessment), and us making reasonable provisions.
I'd appreciate any guidance or information on the provision of how many
lifts should be upgraded as Evacuation Lifts in a works premises?
David Thomas
Corporate Health and Safety Advisor,
66, High Street,
Aylesbury,
Buckinghamshire.
HP20 1SD
Tel. 01296 585158
Fax 01296 585674
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Hi all
I know Malcolm and Vin are experiencing the problem of rejected posting.
If there are other people who are also experiencing this problem can you
please e-mail off list [log in to unmask] for me to work with
jiscmail on solving it.
Regards
Marcus
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Subject: FW: Rejected posting to [log in to unmask]
(UQ0000171962)
This is a partial response to your enquiry(UQ0000171962) . Further
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Submitter Email : M.Ormerod <[log in to unmask]>
Problem Classification : JISCmail General
Response to user : Marcus
This kind of thing is normally caused by a certain type of mail
system that a small number of organisations use. There will be a
susbcriber on your list from such an organisation. Basically, when an
email is distributed to the list, and is sent to that subscriber, their
mail system sees that the
To: address is [log in to unmask] and forwards it back to the
list, whereupon Listserv sees that it has already been distributed and
sends that error message back to the original poster. Mail systems
should not look at the To: address, as the correct delivery address is
contained in the mail envelope that exists at transmission time.
There is a workaround for this, ie: a setting that can be applied to
an individual subscriber that tells Listserv to create a separate mail
job for them and place their address in the To: field instead of the
list address. However, I need to know who that subscriber is and the
only way to find out is to look in the mail headers of one of those
error messages sent to the original poster.
I have joined the list and sent a posting, so hopefully I will find
the 'rogue' email
Pam, JISCmail Helpline Manager
Problem Description : Hi there
Can you please help me I run the accessibuilt list and every time I
send
a message it goes through to the list ok and then I get the following
attached message from jiscmail telling me it has been rejected. Other
people on the list also complain about this happening. Is there a
reason
why a message that has been successfully sent then gets a rejection
notice?
Regards
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 27 April 2004 13:52
To: Marcus Ormerod
Subject: Rejected posting to [log in to unmask]
Your message is being returned to you unprocessed because it
appears
to have already been distributed to the ACCESSIBUILT list. That
is,
a message with identical text (but possibly with different mail
headers) has been posted to the list recently, either by you or by
someone else. If you have a good reason to resend this message to the
list (for instance because you have been notified of a hardware
failure
with loss of data), please alter the text of the message in some way
and resend it to the list. Note that altering the "Subject:" line
or
adding blank lines at the top or bottom of the message is not
sufficient; you should instead add a sentence or two at the top
explaining why you are resending the message, so that the other
subscribers understand why they are getting two copies of the same
message.
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