Hi Marcus and John,
There are a few 'washing toilets' about with varying degrees of
effectiveness

It is not so much the washing element that is the problem, as the drying -
this is catered for by warm air blowers as in a hand drier - the difference
being that hand driers can blow really very hot air on the assumption that
people will keep moving their hands around and avoid scalding - not so easy
to keep your bum moving around on a toilet / bidet! so the temperature has
to be kept much lower and this obviously increases drying time to the point
where it is almost impossible to actually dry oneself

Closomat is what OTs have traditionally specified but I have never been
impressed with them

I would suggest a Geberit because the Closomat does not heat water while you
are using it, so you have to set it to heat some 10 minutes before using it
(unless they have improved) but there are other makes around and probably
improvements in design since I last looked a few years ago

There are also a number of systems contained in a toilet seat now that are
useful for retro-fitting on standard toilets - the individual would need to
look at everything available and see what most closely met their needs

Vin

Vin West
Secretary, Arfon Access Group
Glyn Dwr
Llandwrog Uchaf
Caernarfon
Gwynedd
LL54 7RA

01286880761

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Gregory" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [ACCESSIBUILT] Inclusive bidet?


> Hi Marcus,
>
> It would be, as I suspect everyone knows, the bidet would have to be
> installed in the same space as the toilet.  This poses further questions
> as
> to the viability of such a facility.  The space would, as you say , need
> to
> be the same as around the toilet.  The increase in overall size of the
> room
> would probably make it unfeasible.
>
> However, I seem to recall, but am not totally sure, that there was a dual
> system of toilet and bidet around some time ago.  If I am wrong, then
> there
> should be one.
>
> Perhaps the Committee revising BS 8300 should carry out some research into
> the installation of bidets in toilet facilities?
>
> Cheers.
>
> John.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Accessibuilt list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Marcus Ormerod
> Sent: 06 November 2004 10:18
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> Subject: [ACCESSIBUILT] Inclusive bidet?
>
>
> Hi all
>
> I have been asked by someone about what the specification for an
> accessible/inclusive bidet would be, and I thought that people on these
> lists may have some views. Has anyone come across one?
>
> I would have thought that it would revolve around similar issues to toilet
> in terms of height of pan for transfer; space around pan for transfer;
> drop
> down grab rails or fixed rails depending on location of bidet to return
> walls; operatability of controls; location and position of towel rails;
> tonal/colour contrast of key items.
>
> Marcus
>
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