medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
Jim Bugslag <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> It looks, at the very least, that the "typical" Cistercian plan
http://www.tiglieto.it/foto/grandi/47piantina.jpg
(note the three square chapels of the chevet --the flat east end is later.)
at these early dates, and given the remarkable homogeneity of cistercian plans
in France (and elsewhere) its not surprising to find something of a "one size
fits all" model at work.
"one size fits all" and "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" seems to have been
the Rule, early on --they had a plan which "worked" and they stuck with it.
purely business --none of this ambulatory nonsense, since ambling was not a
fit occupation for monks.
>was built in Italy in various combinations of native Italian brick
construction
http://www.tiglieto.it/foto/grandi/33Sala%20Capitolare3.JPG
those look like *very* large bricks, to me.
reminds me of the average size of the ashlar (stone) blocks used in the
earliest parts of the abbey of St. Mary of Josaphat, near Chartres.
i've always associated that small (for stone) size with a rather limited work
crew --they are just the right size for one man to "anhandle" fairly easily.
the early Cistercian houses were, i presume, built by the monks themselves (is
that called for in the _Exordium_?).
>and what I would presume to be an imported stone building technology (e.g.
Fossanova).
clearly (i suppose) not a region with a lot of good building stone --to judge
by the above .jpg.
the caption on that one is "Trifora della Sala Capitolare", btw.
is that a mistake, or is an open arcade set in a wall like that (essentially a
window) actually called a "Trifora" in Eyetalian ?
>Chiarvalle di Milano (founded from Clairvaux on 22 July 1135)
http://www.mercurio.it/ales/abbazia/milano.htm
*WOA* !
Bernie would not have approved of that tower !
the church here
http://www.mercurio.it/ales/abbazia/pianta.htm
looks very much like (the original) Pontigny, to me --chevet with a square
central chapel and two square flanking chapels on each side, opening off of a
stubby transept. relatively long nave.
it has a wide, arcaded fore-porch like Pontigny, as well
http://www.mercurio.it/ales/abbazia/esterno.htm
and some funny capitals & culs-de-lampes
http://www.mercurio.it/ales/abbazia/capflo.htm (--don't think i've ever seen
one quite like that one on the left)
cutting stone veneer(??) with a bow saw? :
http://www.mercurio.it/ales/abbazia/attmenu.htm --on the right
>Casamari
http://www.menteantica.it/imagesVII/casamarivetrateabside.jpg --looks a bit
cistercianish.
http://digilander.libero.it/linusque/images/casamari_abbazia.chiesa_dentro.jpg
--Pontignyish again (maybe because that's the only early Cistercian church i
know.)
thanks, John.
c
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