Thanks Sarah for formulating my insane mumblings into a cogent argument.
Even I understand what I was talkling about now :)
I think the only bit that wouldn't really fit in relation is the page
reference.
Sarah Currier wrote:
> Hi Andy and Paul,
>
> I don't think this is part of a discussion about what is a LO at all,
> although I really like the rest of Paul's email! I think the problem
> comes out of the complexity we are used to describing in a library
> catalogue record according to AACR2 and MARC, and what can be done in
> the LOM, and thus, how do we make the LOM do what MARC can do, or do
> we do what Paul suggests and mix-and-match? While the LOM looks
> complex to non-cataloguers' eyes, if you've ever worked with the four
> volumes of LC guidelines for using MARC, it looks like a little baby
> spec, barely formed.
>
> Anyway, the distinction I THINK Andy is making I have laid out below,
> to be shot down if necessary:
>
> Andy Powell wrote:
>
>>>I would have thought that using the Relation element would be another
>>>way of doing this, but Andy's subsequent email made me think; does this
>>>element only allow for relations to other electronic learning objects,
>>>or to any resource, such as a journal?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I guess that relation can be used to provide information about 'any other
>>resource' (on the basis that for most things, there will be somebody,
>>somewhere that considers it to be a 'learning object')!
>>
>>My point is that, if you are describing a journal article then the journal
>>is a 'related resource' (and therefore, information about it could go into
>>'relation') but the citation for 'the article in the journal' is
>>information about the article - therefore it doesn't belong in relation.
>>
> Took me a minute to get my head round this; now I think you are
> differentiating between, for the following fabulous article:
>
> All About the Correct use of Semi-Colons by Sarah Currier published in
> the July 1561 issue of the Fully Refereed Journal of Unbelievably Anal
> Cataloguing Discussions.
>
> The "Relation" thing would be:
> Title: All About the Correct use of Semi-Colons
> IsPartOf (I'm making this up, can't be bothered looking at the LOM):
> The Fully Refereed Journal of Unbelievably Anal Cataloguing Discussions
>
> The citation thing (which would go in the URL according to Andy) would be:
> Title: All About the Correct use of Semi-Colons
> Citation: Fully Refereed Journal of Unbelievably Anal Cataloguing
> Discussions (July 1561), pp. 23-346.
>
> Now, I'm not sure that the latter COULDN'T just go in the relation
> field, although I take Andy's point about the distinction. I guess the
> question is, what is the easiest and most useful way to do this for
> the sake of both end users looking at records, and for sharing,
> cross-searching and exposing of metadata records?
>
> As for series titles and collection titles: good point Paul.
> Repeatable alternate title would be an excellent element for the LOM.
>
> Phew, I don't often get to have fun like this in this job.
>
> ;-)
> Sarah
>
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>
>>
>>
>>>If Andy's solution was used, how would the information about the journal
>>>be made easily accessible to the end user? Would the user interface have
>>>to take the journal details out of the OpenURL and present them as a
>>>journal citation?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Yes. That's what computers are good at! ;-) The OPenURL is designed to
>>be machine-parsable.
>>
>>Andy
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