Hello all
I would like to hear more on the person centred approach (which is a term I
recall from the late-eighties), as it applies to people who, due to the
severity of intellectual impairment or cognitive function, are not able to
articulate their needs with the same reflective and prognostic apparatus
that many of us use to make informed choices about how we would like things
to be. I am au fait with the principles but am more interested in how such
needs or wants are determined without intervention from advocates including
family and "professionals" being deemed as interference, or projected
interpretation?
Best regards
Laurence Bathurst
School of Occupation and Leisure Sciences
Faculty of Health Sciences
University of Sydney
PO Box 170
Lidcombe NSW 1825
Australia
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From: "Sarah Supple" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: person centered planning
| John and all, again I see similarities here with therapeutic practise. I
| believe that any good therapy, as with this person centred approach should
| start with a relational focus. Any other resorces can then be used within
a
| structure of equality and respect. However, any framework is only as good
as
| those that implement it. Sarah.
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "homan" <[log in to unmask]>
| To: <[log in to unmask]>
| Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:56 PM
| Subject: Re: person centered planning
|
|
| Good morning all,
|
| Not being an academic I am somewhat bemused by the focus on semantics,
| rather than what it ought to mean in real life.
|
| Amanda - my 34 year old intellectually disabled daughter - has been a
great
| teacher. Not only in our relationship, but also by extension, about the
core
| values that should guide all relationships.
|
| A respectful relationship is the non-negotiable starting point. This is
not
| a natural state, like water running downhill, or cups of tea getting cold,
| beer getting warm. It is a relationship that demands energy to establish,
| and more energy to maintain: As Bob Cummings, a cook I sailed with, used
to
| say: "You are only as good as your last meal". He was consistently very
| good.
|
| A respectful relationship should then lead to a partnership. The
foundations
| that all good and successful partnerships are built on are equality,
| credibility and trust. It is critical here that the partners see each
other
| as equal, and speak the same language.
|
| >From that basis the professional or enthusiastic amateur can then act as
a
| facilitator, by enabling the disabled person to share ownership in
decisions
| he or she is not capable to make on her/his own. In all this the focus is
of
| course on meeting the disabled person's physical, psychological and
| emotional needs. "We'll do it as a team" Amanda would say.
|
| Rgds John
|
| now live in Emu Park. My new Phone number: 07 4938 8283. My snailmail
| address remains the same: J Homan - P.O. Box 1019 - YEPPOON - 4703. My
Email
| address remains: [log in to unmask]
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| From: <[log in to unmask]>
| To: <[log in to unmask]>
| Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:29 AM
| Subject: person centered planning
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|
| Subj: Re: person centered planning...........
| Date: 8/27/2003 12:13:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time
| From: <A HREF="mailto:Sabinorose">Sabinorose</A>
| To: <A HREF="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>
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|
|
| Hi!
|
| I agree with you, Sarah, that person-centered therapy starts from such a
| position. However, it is my understanding that most therapists are trained
| to use
| such Rogerian philosophy to undergird good practice, no matter what model
| they actually employ.
|
| Unfortunately, this is not how the term is being used in working with
| disabled people. I can't say that is how it is everywhere, but from what I
| have
| observed, it is usually just a way to dress up the same old medical model
| practices in seductive clothes. "Person centered" has become a trendy
catch
| phrase
| for business leadership training, corporate management training,
| rehabilitation
| professionals, and is often just thought of as a way to provide a
different
| ambience to make the same old practices more palatable, which, I feel, can
| be
| dangerous if a client is lulled into believing that the professionals have
| the
| client as "expert," but, in reality, still impose a hegemonic medical
model
| on
| them.
|
| Best,
|
| Beth
|
| Beth Omansky Gordon
| Ph.D. Candidate
| The University of Queensland
| Brisbane, Australia
|
| In a message dated 8/27/2003 3:58:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
| [log in to unmask] writes:
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| > Subj: Re: person centered planning...........
| > Date: 8/27/2003 3:58:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time
| > From: <A HREF="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A>
| > To: <A
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HREF="mailto:[log in to unmask]">DISABILITY-RESEARCH@JISCMAI
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| > Sent from the Internet
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| >
| >
| > In psychology person centred therapy , if done well means that the
| therapist
| > does not claim 'expertise or theoreise using privileged knowledge, but
is
| > led by thperspectives and meanings of the client, which I think is a
good
| > start. Sarah.
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "Mariab" <[log in to unmask]>
| > To: <[log in to unmask]>
| > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:06 PM
| > Subject: Re: person centered planning...........
| >
| >
| > don't know about that term. but (at least in Canada), in the 1980's when
I
| > was in university in women studies the term 'women centered' meant that
| the
| > issue were guided by and for women. Since women are/were a 'political
| > minority' it made sense that issues be defined as specifically from that
| > perspective. However, language is fluid and culture changes
| > meaning.that meaning from 1980 and here may no longer apply. If I recall
| > correctly the word derived from sociology .
| > Maria
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "Andrew Azzopardi" <[log in to unmask]>
| > To: <[log in to unmask]>
| > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:44 PM
| > Subject: person centered planning...........
| >
| >
| > >What area your ideas on Person Centered Planning? To me it sounds as if
| > we're psycholgising people in an acceptable way, it sounds like
| > professionals camouflaging their way into people's lives........
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