----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Velarde" <[log in to unmask]>
To: "Chadwick Alden" <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: advice and payment for time
> Agree. I am trying to convince the anthropology department that their
> studies of the amazonian indians should bring back some welfare benefit
and
> not only diseases and published books about who wonderful was life without
> capitalism. Bast regards, Andy Velarde
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chadwick Alden" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:26 AM
> Subject: Re: advice and payment for time
>
>
> > Hello Susanne
> >
> > Have you thought about negotiating with employers regarding the
provision
> of paid time off for disabled employees to participate in research
(research
> which can be said to benefit the employer in some direct or indirect way)?
> >
> > With regard to disabled people who aren't employed (but often do much
> 'unpaid' work e.g. managing their personal care packages, participating in
> lobbying / campaigning / self-help groups etc), isn't the problem here to
do
> with the way in which all welfare benefits are officially described as
> 'handouts' rather than 'social wages' - i.e. perhaps, payment for social
> participation? This debate seems to go much further than just disabled
> people, and should include all people who do not work (and don't have
> comfortable unearned incomes from investments etc).
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Alden
> >
> >
> > > ----------
> > > From: Susanne Berg
> > > Reply To: Susanne Berg
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2003 21:28 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: advice and payment for time
> > >
> > > Another thought - we all think it is, not only right but probably
> > > unproblematic to reimburse people for wage losses because they spend
> time
> > > away from work contributing to our research. At the same time we seem
to
> > > expect people, who are not employed in the meaning that they get a
> salary
> > > for working, to devote time to our things and be happy just to have
> > > something to do.
> > >
> > > Isn't this to reinforce the notion that only paid employment is
> considered
> > > valuable work?
> > >
> > > Since disabled people are marginalised in the labour market (mainly
> through
> > > discrimination) are we not exploiting the results of a discriminatory
> > > system?
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