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Subject:

Staff Grade predicament

From:

John Chambers <[log in to unmask]>

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Accident and Emergency Academic List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 9 Mar 2003 10:40:45 +1300

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personal reply Fiona but will put it on the list anyway
I have always repeatedly told the more able and intelligent of our MOSSs (like the UK staff grade I suppose)to seriously consider knuckling down,sit the exams and get on the training scheme. Precisely to try and avoid the kind of predicament you are now finding yourself in!
This is of course easier in Australasia where the training schemes are not so closed and competitive in some respects.
It must a real pain in the a... to see a younger colleague who has passed the exams "overtake" you in terms of seniority and salary and then have to work beside them doing much the same job -
especially if you actually see and treat more patients!
Not all my young colleagues have taken my advice though...
There are still parts of the world where as a staff grade type ED doc with experience but no formal training you are well remunerated.
In costal Australia (not a main centre) one of our exMOSSs is now earning 180,000 Australian dollars for a 40 hr week of shifts
similar though not quite as excessive contracts can be negotiated in smaller centres in New Zealand which can simply not recruit specialists and will always need staff grades. However our only remaining staff grade equivalent here in Dunedin earns about the exact dollar equivalent of 33,000 pounds - about 90,000 dollars. This post will be phased out when she leaves so that we only have specialists and registrars.
It is all about supply and demand.
Hope you get a big pay rise soon.
If not sunny small/medium town Australia or NZ beckons where life is good , property cheap and a long long way from the troubled areas of the world!
JohnC
PS the exams are not that hard anywhere

  


-----Original Message-----
From: Fiona Wallace [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Sunday, 9 March 2003 10:06 a.m.
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Trick & Teat is Dead


It's all very wellbemoaning this rate of pay or that rate...but when you're
a staff grade you're looking at roughly the same rate ie 33K for the
forseeable future. No fun when house prices average 180K.

I am, quite seriously, beginning to panic about how I will survive
financially. The tiniest rental house costs over a third of my monthly take
home pay. My G reg car won't go on for ever (OK, it's a volvo, but even
so...). Council tax is likely to top 250 a month soon. And so it goes on,
only the salary doesn't change.

I'm not temperamentally suited to being a consultant. And I'm not after
that level of pay.

I want to live, not exist. I didn't spend five years at uni and over a
decade acquiring skills in order to lie awake worrying about money.

Fiona.

>We should not blame AH or anyone else for getting a good deal for junior
>docs. If anything it sets a benchmark for other grades. I think Nizam is
>now
>involved in the consultant deal which is good, was he not known as BFN
(o>r
>something like that  - best ******* negotiator - at the time?).
>
>I have to say that I am not looking forward to a significant pay cut when>
I
>become a consultant later this year (if I get a job that is -
economicall>y
>it would be better to take a 2A clinical fellow post somewhere that is
pa>id
>the same as the SpRs!!!).
>
>Simon
>
>Simon & Fiona Carley
>[log in to unmask]
>http://www.bestbets.org
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Adrian Fogarty" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:15 AM
>Subject: Re: Trick & Teat is Dead
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Simon Odum"
>Subject: Re: Trick & Teat is Dead
>
>> I'm new to the site but I must agree with Danny. All of our Staff
Grade>s
>are
>> excellent and hard working, and are all earning significantly LESS than
>our
>> SHO's. I think that some seroius thinking needs to be done if we are to
>> attract more high quality Staff Grades.
>> Agree that AH DOES have a lot to answer for!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Hold on a minute, why is everyone suddenly criticising AH? He did a damn
>good job for the juniors, and just 'cause the seniors and the career
grad>es
>haven't got their house in order, is no reason to criticise his work.
>Admittedly the banding system is irritating in its construct; I imagine
w>e'd
>all have preferred to continue with ADHs but with enhanced rates. The
>banding system was intended to be of a punitive/deterrent nature.
>Unfortunately it's "backfired" a little as most juniors are still working
>long hours, they're just getting paid ridiculous sums now which causes
>resentment elsewhere. Or else those who have reduced their hours have
onl>y
>done so at the expense of a sensible rota, i.e. now working split
weekend>s
>or partial shifts or the like.
>
>The remuneration loading is supposed to be prohibitive but it just causes
>huge anomalies. For example, my SHOs work approximately 20% over standard
>hours (48hrs v 40hrs) yet they receive an 80% enhancement in pay (band
2A>)!
>Similarly there are many who work 10% over standard hours (44hrs v 40hrs)
>yet they receive a 50% enhancement in total pay! Basically this amounts
t>o
>quadruple time or "time by 5" for on call work respectively! I'm on the
>doctors' side yet even I think this is ridiculous!
>
>This simply puts these inexperienced and relatively pampered first years
>into the 40K+ bracket. This causes endless resentment among other grad>es
>who are more experienced, yet who only manage to earn in the low to mid
>30Ks for the same amount of work but with higher levels of
responsibil>ity.
>And we wonder why we have a recruitment crisis among non-consultant
caree>r
>grades these days!
>
>But I'm still not sure we should somehow "blame" AH for this problem. But
>then again, maybe the Government were stung so badly by this, rather
>perfidious, deal, that they're now anxious not to get bruised again, and
>are
>putting up a real fight with the seniors. That's very sad really, and
>perhaps a touch short-sighted, especially when you consider that we are
>juniors for a very short time in the overall scheme of things. And those
>very juniors who won this particular battle are already now dug into the
>trenches of the seniors' war, where they'll be holed up for a lot
longer.>..
>
>Adrian Fogarty
>
>
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