Dear all,
This is probably the email that will see me and the whole of reality
gets kicked off trhis life and given up to the socialism PC world may
non-disabled self-oppressive impairment and academic corruption rules.
Firstly, for those who are ignorant of impairment, cerebral palsy means
brain damage and is the ultimate form of real neurodiversity! I
therefore challenge anyone to have a more diverse brain than myself, any
speech impaired, arm waves, diaper wearing, helmet using spastics there.
I rather remember dyslexia was bad teaching and this modern fashionable
form of autism was such a slow personality. If I wanted to, I could
mention my asthma, my GERD and ingrowing toe nails.. but I don't need to
use them since I don't have to excuse my actions.
Right, I personally find it deeply offensive when people with mild
dyslexia and this so-called autism, all in the name of diversity claim
oppression and discrimination when they have no clue what it is,
especially when they get a fat cheque for claiming to have an academic
interest in disability when you want to kill real disabled off and keep
the money for themselves.
That me take you away from the comforts of non-disabled pretend
impairments for a moments and tell you about me day! I am an advocate
for people with severe impairment. While I should be paid, I am not and
do it off my own back without any support from professionals, they too
busy claimed their rights as the patronizing minority.
This morning, I had to explain a wet dream to an 19 year old who had
been denied any sex education. This evening, I have someone else staying
with me because he has been abused and unlawfully imprisoned by his
carer and had his care package collapse. They do not the luxury to
claiming a new name and all they have is me!
How can an American accuse me of reinforcing the medical model when
Americans do not have a understanding of the medical/social model?
I am insulted because real disabled have fought for years to avoid
labels and now non-disabled people demand labels to improve their social
status.
The fact is this list is self-indulance and helps no one in the real
world. Neurodiversiy in my opinion is merely of non-disabled people
pushing disabled people out of society by claiming their fashion
statement difficulties gives them the right to dicate our believes and
policy and get paid to do it.
Are disabled people allowed to control their movement or should be all
now obey the well of the non-disabled impaired?
People should consider their positions and ask themselves our their an
allie or user of disabled people?
I am been quiet for too long, its time things change.
Many Thanks, Simon
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Larry Arnold
Sent: 19 January 2003 14:14
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: An open-debate on NeuroDiversity ! No Labels,
I am not sure if your post to me will eventually find its way to this
gruop
where the debate should be contained.
But I find it insulting that you claim to know more about autism than I
do.
I do not make the same claims for CP
The world has moved on in terms of what defines autism and I can assure
you
that the problems are real enough if you look at employment education
and
social value
You are exemplifiying in your subjective and highly personal decision as
what is contained within the domain of disability.
(satirical post follows) Lets start up a debate between hering
impairment,
and visual impairment as to who is worst off in society. Lets start a
debate
as to what vertebral fracture is the least that qulaifies one for spinal
injury status.
Let us declare that oh never mind I have lost it .......
Larry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Disability-Research Discussion List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Simon Stevens
> Sent: 19 January 2003 12:48
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: An open-debate on NeuroDiversity ! No Labels,
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> I have attempted to understand with neurodiversity with little
success.
> It sounds like a self-defined impairment which people who want their
> social problems to be excused and medicalised to reduce their
> responsility.
>
> I have cerebral palsy and is as real as a glass of wing, and no matter
> of socialist imagination will stop of fact I have an real impacted. I
> accept many new impairments are just made up so non-disabled people
make
> an mockery of disability and impairment. I am happy and proud of my
> labels!
>
> I wish people would stop pretending to have impairments that doesn't
> exist since I feel it is making a mockery of disabled people. Has the
> social model been scraps in preference to an stronger medical model?
>
> I personally not letting my life be put on the life because other
people
> want to take the pissed and demand cures for make believe.
>
> Many Thanks, Simon
>
> --
>
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> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mariab
> Sent: 19 January 2003 12:35
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: An open-debate on NeuroDiversity ! No Labels,
>
> Hi Charmine;
>
> There is a group of people (some on this list who advocate this idea)
a
> great paper by Shelley Tremain, makes that point as well. In
practical
> terms however, within the constraints of the society that we live in
I
> don't see how this would work. I sure wish it did.
> Maria
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charmaine Driver" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 1:15 AM
> Subject: Re: An open-debate on NeuroDiversity !
>
>
> > Hi Colin et al
> >
> > I am most interested to read you views and perspectives on the
> challenges
> > and difficulties faced by neurodiverse people within many areas of
> society.
> >
> > I have been thinking for a while now that all disability categories
-
> be
> > they the historical ones or the more recently voiced labels such as
> > neurodiverse (or for that matter neuro-typical) are in and of
> themselves
> > disabling. I am interested to know what you think of the idea of
> getting
> rid
> > of any language or label that refers to some sort of category of
> disability.
> > Instead I feel there is at least some value in replacing these sort
of
> > 'disability-specific labels' with language that refers to peoples'
> > functioning and strengths and ways to maximise people's choice,
> presence
> at
> > places they want to be, access to places and activities and services
> they
> > see as useful, participation in programs, work, lifestyle and life
in
> ways
> > that seem good to them, and opportunities to achieve as well as they
> can.
> >
> > This might seem simplistic but my work and experiences seem to be
> leading
> me
> > to a position away from 'disability' and 'labels' and towards a
> position
> of
> > inclusion and welcoming all people within society so that everyone
can
> > really enjoy quality of life - whatever that is for each one as an
> > individual. I realise that in some parts of the world this would
> constitute
> > a huge social change agenda.
> >
> > All of that said, I also think that in the school room and
workplace,
> as
> > well as society in general, there is a huge need for strategies and
> > opportunities for teachers, community members and bureaucrats who
make
> and
> > steer policy, to improve their understanding of the way that various
> people
> > see the world, process experience and react / act in various
> situations.
> > Inclusion is great ... but I am not at all convinced that inclusion
> can be
> > achieved through a one-size-fits-all methodology - for schools,
> workplaces
> > or society. For everyone to really belong, I think that different
ones
> might
> > well need different opportunities, experiences and perhaps a range
of
> mentor
> > s and coaches such as many people use already.
> >
> > I am really keen to hear what people think about these ideas ...
> especially
> > as they might be constructed within re-conceptualisation of
education
> > systems to achieve inclusive frameworks and maximised educational
and
> life
> > outcomes for school students.
> >
> > Charmaine Driver.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "ColRevs" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:07 AM
> > Subject: An open-debate on NeuroDiversity !
> >
> >
> > > Hi, My name is Colin Revell, Hull, England.
> > >
> > > I'm the founder of Hull and East Yorkshire NeuroDiversity Action
an
> > educational socio-political, socio-psycho/medical 'users' human and
> civil
> > rights group.
> > >
> > > The group is about challenging Social Exclusion through a process
of
> > re-learning and re-education. It's around challenging dominant
> ideologies
> > and discourses and out-dated views, prejudices and stereotypes
within
> the
> > media and society.
> > >
> > > This group is new and also the understanding of NeuroDiversity is
a
> term
> > that is not well recognised and accepted within society. There are
> > psycho-socio-political reasons for this and also the imbalance of
> power
> > within society with dominant discourses and ideologies, especially
in
> the
> > medical model and psychiatry and psychology.
> > >
> > > I need to open up the debate on a working definition of what
> > neuro-diversity means to others ? Who do we define as neuro-diverse?
> > >
> > > I'm aware at present that individuals with Autistic Spectrum
> > Disorders(Aspergers Syndrome), Dyspraxia(Developmental Co-ordination
> > Disorder), Attention Deficit (Hyperactivity) Disorder(AD(H)D,
> Attention
> > Deficit Disorder(ADD) ( not everyone with concentration and
attention
> > problems have 'Hyperactivity', especially as this wax and wanes at
the
> > beginning of Adolescence, and for some individuals in adulthood it
> > disappears altogether, but not for all adults), Dyslexia, Irlen
> Syndrome,
> > Central Auditory Processing Disorder, Semantic Pragmatic Disorder
and
> other
> > Specific Learning Difficulties(SpLd's), Chronic Fatigue
Syndrome(M.E),
> > People who hear voices, Bi-polar(Manic) Depression.
> > >
> > > As you can see all these are medical terms, except People who hear
> voices.
> > >
> > > I'm in the opinion that individuals have the right to
> self-determined
> > labels, which challenges the dominant discourses and ideologies, in
> which
> > creates negative stereotypes and stigma. These medical labels have a
> > detrimental effect on an individuals self-esteem and their needs to
be
> a
> > challenge within NeuroDiversityAction, in deconstruction of these
> negative
> > labels into individual positive identities.
> > >
> > > As I said I want to open-up the debate around NeuroDiversity and
> would
> > welcome your views, ideas and opinion around how I and others can
take
> > NeuroDiversity forward within the 21st Century, in the globalised
> world,
> at
> > Local, National and International levels.
> > >
> > > I would welcome your thoughts on whom should be included and
defined
> as
> > NeuroDiverse ?
> > >
> > > Who do we include as NeuroDiverse and then who do we exclude ?
> > >
> > > As many of you may beware that within NeuroDiversity cultures
their
> is a
> > term called NeuroTypicals( this is the term used by NeuroDiverse
> individuals
> > for individuals whom are not-NeuroDiverse). There are many disabled
> people
> > who are NeuroTypical, so these individuals can't be included.
> > >
> > > Many NeuroDiverse individuals are excluded within society and have
> > difficulties with personal and sexual relationships. They also have
> the
> need
> > to discuss sexuality issues. but have no-one to turn to, due to
their
> > isolation and the statutory health and social services not meeting
> their
> > needs.
> > >
> > > What do others know about a U.K charity called SPOD ?
> > >
> > > This organisation campaigns for a better understanding of the
> sexuality
> > and sexual needs of disabled people.
> > >
> > > I had a conversation early last year with someone from SPOD and I
> was
> > informed that many of their queries are from men who are
neuro-diverse
> with
> > Aspergers Syndrome. Their queries are mostly around the use
> prostitutes
> and
> > escorts.
> > >
> > > This person and I discussed the need for sexual surrogates, in
which
> is
> > happening some disabled people in London and other areas of the U.K.
> The
> use
> > of sexual surrogates are commonly used across many parts of Europe
by
> the
> > health and social services and sex is accepted as a basic human need
> for
> > disabled people.
> > >
> > > What are people's views on sexual surrogates for NeuroDiverse
> individuals
> > ?
> > >
> > > Is NeuroDiversity an impairment? Do you believe that NeuroDiverse
> > individuals should be categorised as a disabled person ?
> > >
> > > How does NeuroDiversity fit-in with the social model of disability
?
> > >
> > > So, this is why I need your support an open-debate ?
> > >
> > > NeuroDiverse individuals have the same basic human needs as all
> human
> > beings, but as I said they are excluded, why ?
> > >
> > > What are the environmental barriers and threats to NeuroDiverse
> > individuals. Chemical and food/drink allergies and Intolerances ?
> > NeuroDiversity individuals are more at threat by environmental
toxins,
> due
> > to their genetic-sensitivities.
> > >
> > > This is a basic human rights issue due to the damaging effects of
> these
> > toxins of neurodiverse individuals physical body and mind, in which
> impacts
> > on their mental health.
> > >
> > > NeuroDiverse individuals may have great difficulties metabolising
> these
> > toxins from their bodies and this impacts on their minds.
> > >
> > > They need access to detox and should have the right to be
prescribed
> > alternative medicines, drugs, treatments and therapies. It had been
> well
> > researched that neurodiverse individuals have adverse side-effects
to
> many
> > prescribed drugs, especially psychiatric drugs, in some cases have
> been
> > fatalistic.
> > >
> > > What are the learning, structural, social, cultural, attitudinal
> barriers
> > ?
> > >
> > > How can NeuroDiverse individuals be more socially,cultural and
> > economically included ?
> > >
> > > Are NeuroDiverse individuals the genetic underclass of the 21st
> Century
> ?
> > >
> > > What are people's fears around genetic engineering and cloning ?
> Does
> this
> > mean that NeuroDiversity will be eradicated from the genepool and
> society
> in
> > the future ?
> > >
> > > Any more questions would be welcome in this open-debate!
> > >
> > > Larry Arnold, If you can express your personal experience and
views
> this
> > would be welcomed.
> > >
> > > Larry or any other person with a interest in this subject can you
> please
> > send a copy of this e-mails to other relevant forums on the internet
> who
> you
> > believe should be included in this debate.
> > >
> > > People can also e-mail me privately and confidential with their
> > constructive views, idea's and opinions. I will not accept any
> abusive
> > e-mails, so don't waste your time if you are not prepared to give
> > constructive criticism. My e-mail address is:-
> [log in to unmask]
> > >
> > > If any neuro-diverse individuals want to join NeuroDivergent
Action
> then
> > the is a yahoo support group/forum at:-
> > > [log in to unmask] . This is a support
> group/forum
> only
> > for neurodiverse individuals and you need to go through the
moderators
> to
> > join.
> > >
> > > I hope to hear from you all and your interesting constructive
views.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Colin Revell
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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