Dear All,
Please find attached the weekly GridPP Project Management
Board Meeting minutes. The latest minutes can be found each week in:
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/pmb/minutes/this-week.txt
(as well as being listed with other minutes e.g. 030331.txt).
Cheers, Tony
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Tony Doyle, GridPP Project Leader Telephone: +44-141-330 5899
Rm 478, Kelvin Building Telefax: +44-141-330 5881
Dept of Physics and Astronomy EMail: [log in to unmask]
University of Glasgow Web: http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~doyle
G12 8QQ, UK Video - IP: 194.36.1.32
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GridPP PMB Minutes 73 - 31st March 2003
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Present: Tony Doyle, Dave Britton, John Gordon, Nick Brook & Roger Barlow.
Steve Lloyd & Tony Cass (audio only)
Apologies: Robin Middleton & Peter Clark.
PhenoGrid Application
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NB introduced the 'expression of interest' in GridPP2 that had come from
the phenomenology group which includes members from Durham, Oxford,
Cambridge, Southampton, Edinburgh and Manchester. Their programme of work
involves the use of a large number (~100) CPUs which they feel could be
easily accessed via resources provided as part of GridPP2. TD said this
had come about following a meeting of the Particle Physics Advisory Panel
in which funding was discussed for high performance computing. After this
meeting he (TD) had talked to Bryan Webber, the outcome being this
request led by Nigel Glover.
JG thought that the resources at Durham could have met their requirements
and asked if they had a systems manager. TD noted that they did.
Phenomonologists wanted to be both part of the Grid (with available
resources) and be recognised as a VO (LHC Phenomenlogy). DB said we could
not promise dedicated resources at this stage. NB noted that the CPU
requirement was approximately 10% of the overall planning figures for
GridPP2. JG said that we may not have enough hardware to support this.
DB noted that it was important to show that our hardware was always in
use. TD felt that the application was directly relevant to LHC computing
and hence the PPARC e-Science call. TD added that the Durham farm
resources would be fed in through the Tier-2 spreadsheet input from
"Scotgrid". This would enable overall planning for Tier-2 centres to take
place.
The PMB approved of the "LHC Phenomonlogy" area being recognised as
an applications area, subject to further input from the experiments
board. Discussions on hardware requirements would continue through the
experiments board.
Testbed to Production Grid (Outline)
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JG went over the outline he had prepared based on what was done before
the last face-to-face PMB meeting and named the issues to be addressed.
He had listed the other grids we would be working with followed by a list
of features required of a production grid - the final document would have
a section on each of these. DB said it was hard to define a production
grid as it was difficult to measure it. TD noted that targets would
need to be defined. JG was asked to explain the
heading 'Application Software Support' and he said this was to do with
the ability to install application software from a variety of sources.
The next heading was 'Managing the Change to a Production Grid' which
would set targets required. This would then be followed by a summary.
JG subsequently placed this outline along with others on the gridpp2
planning page.
GridPP7
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The new proposed dates for GridPP7 are 30th June to 2nd July. It is
hoped that the Monday (30th June) would be left free for a technical
meeting to take place and then 1st and 2nd July for the main GridPP
meeting. TD asked TC if he thought there might be a problem with these
new dates at CERN and he said none there wouldn't. The technical part
would be discussed later with RM, PC and TC.
REVIEW OF ACTIONS
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SI-2 : SL is waiting on news items from Andrew Sansum on Ganglia Release
and Steve Fisher on RGMA. JG said with regard to the latter that no
great testing had been done on this but he would discuss it with SF (NEW
ACTION). JG said he would also discuss with AS release plans for
ganglia.(NEW ACTION).
ACTION 64.1 : JG to review UK input to LCG.
- ongoing - will be done for GDB meeting on 10th April.
ACTION 66.3 : TD to provide final document structure for GridPP2 proposal.
- ongoing - input documents are being prepared for this - final document
should run to 100 pages maximum.
ACTION 69.7 : Tier 0: TC & TD to provide input document with JG & SL.
reviewing.
-ongoing - a skeleton has been prepared and TC has discussed it with LR.
ACTION 69.8 : Tier 1: JG & DB to provide input document with TC & SL.
reviewing.
-ongoing - this has been started but not completed as yet.
ACTION 69.9 : Tier 2: TD & SL to provide input document with JG & TC.
reviewing.
-ongoing - 1st section has been written but no input received from Tier
centres yet.
ACTION 69.10 : Middleware: RM & PC to provide input document with JG &
NB reviewing.
-ongoing - TD has seen the first draft. PC to discuss it with LCG members
David Foster and Ian Bird (NEW ACTION)
ACTION 69.11 : Experimental Grid Interfaces: RB & NB to provide input
document with PC & DB reviewing.
-ongoing - some discussion has taken place.
ACTION 69.12 : Management: DB & TD to provide input document with SL &
RM reviewing.
-ongoing - a draft will be prepared by Wednesday.
ACTION 69.13 : Operations: RM & TD to do financial input documents
with SL & DB reviewing.
-ongoing - TD still to discuss with RM.
ACTION 69.14 : Hardware Requirements: NB & RB to provide input
document with JG & SL reviewing.
-ongoing - discussions have taken place re Grid interface.
ACTION 69.15 : Dissemination: SL & TD to provide input document with
DB reviewing.
-ongoing - TD has send SL a draft.
ACTION 69.16 : Testbeds Tier0, 1 & 2 - JG & PC to document input and
DB & TD to review.
-ongoing - no further progress?
ACTION 71.3 : JG to produce outline for section on 'Testbeds to Production'
- done - outline discussed at today's meeting.
ACTION 72.1 : TD to talk to Peter Watkins (who is involved in the
Birmingham proposal) regarding complex problem solving areas of EU
funding.
- ongoing - still to arrange this.
ACTION 72.2 : SL to put in an additional link in 'How to get a Grid
Certificate'- also to provide posters for Durham.
- done
ACTION 72.3 : TD to print handouts for Durham.
- ongoing
ACTION 72.4 : TD to prepare some notes on Videconferencing
- done - se http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/meetings/videoconf.html
NEW ACTION 73.1 : PC to talk to LCG members David Foster and Ian Bird re-
middleware document.
NEW ACTION 73.2 : JG to speak to SF regarding a news item on RGMA.
NEW ACTION 73.3 : RB to speak to AS regarding a news item on Ganglia Release.
AOB
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JG said that the Tutorial being held next week had only 5 subscribers and
wondered if it should be cancelled. DB suggested talking to those who
have registered and see if they would be willing to travel somewhere
else. JG decided to speak to those concerned before making a final decision.
Standing Items
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SI-1 : ALL : Continual review/improvement/update of the GridPP website.
SI-2 : ALL : to provide any new items to SL (who will pass on to PPARC).
SI-3 : ALL : supply SL/TD with meeting dates for the web page.
SI-4 : EB & TB to improve their areas of the web.
ACTIONS AS AT 31st March 2003
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ACTION 64.1 : JG to review UK input to LCG.
ACTION 66.3 : TD to provide final document structure for GridPP2
proposal.
ACTION 69.7 : Tier 0: TC & TD to provide input document with JG & SL
reviewing.
ACTION 69.8 : Tier 1: JG & DB to provide input document with TC & SL
reviewing.
ACTION 69.9 : Tier 2: TD & SL to provide input document with JG & TC
reviewing.
ACTION 69.10 : Middleware: RM & PC to provide input document with JG &
NB reviewing.
ACTION 69.11 : Experimental Grid Interfaces: RB & NB to provide input
document with PC & DB reviewing.
ACTION 69.12 : Management: DB & TD to provide input document with SL &
RM reviewing.
ACTION 69.13 : Operations: RM & TD to do financial input documents
with SL & DB reviewing.
ACTION 69.14 : Hardware Requirements: NB & RB to provide input
document with JG & SL reviewing.
ACTION 69.15 : Dissemination: SL & TD to provide input document with
DB reviewing.
ACTION 69.16 : Testbeds Tier0, 1 & 2 - JG & PC to document input and
DB & TD to review.
ACTION 72.1 : TD to talk to Peter Watkins (who is involved in the
Birmingham proposal) regarding complex problem solving areas of EU
funding.
ACTION 72.3 : TD to print handouts for Durham.
ACTION 73.1 : PC to talk to LCG members David Foster and Ian Bird re-
middleware document.
ACTION 73.2 : JG to speak to SF regarding a news item on RGMA.
ACTION 73.3 : JG to speak to AS regarding a news item on Ganglia Release.
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