Dear All
The other thing that I am trying to grapple with is where content on
Ingenta.com doesn't match that on IngentaSelect. We prefer IngentaSelect
for our title-level links because we have found that students find the
Athens login on Ingenta.com very confusing at title level.
Trying to ensure that all our subs are on both Ingenta sites seems like a
neverending task for which I really don't have time!
Best wishes
Claire Grace
Electronic Resources, Periodicals and Acquisitions Manager
The Open University Library
Walton Hall
Milton Keynes
MK7 6AA
England
Tel: 01908 653291
Fax: 01908 653571
-----Original Message-----
From: Louise Cole [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 08 October 2003 09:20
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Problems with accessing an OUP journal, Parliamentary Affairs
through ingenta
Hi Lesley
In my experience, we have had to chase a lot of content on ingenta each year
to get it set up when we are entitled to it. When we have spotted a title
with current year content missing they have been able to sort it out - but,
why should we have to spend the time doing this when we are getting print
copies, or have access through another route, and it is obvious we are also
entitled to ingenta content?
Louise
-----Original Message-----
From: Lesley Crawshaw [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 07 October 2003 17:01
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Problems with accessing an OUP journal, Parliamentary Affairs
through ingenta
Hi,
We now have our access restored to Parliamentary Affairs through ingenta.
The problem appears to be due to the subscription files from OUP not
containing 2002 and 2003 subscription information for that title. Although
it might have seemed a minor irriration to have not had complete access to
that title, my question is how many other of our subscriptions are in that
category? Should we have to annually validate our subscription information
on ingenta to make sure that the latest subscription data they receive from
publishers is accurate?
Time and time again the subscription data from publishers doesn't seem to be
of sufficient quality or in the correct format for our subscriptions to be
set up on ingenta accurately. If that information was correct we shouldn't
have to be doing all this work making sure our subscriptions are active from
year to year. If a publisher takes over a new journal one should expect that
the subscription data going to ingenta should automatically give us access
to that journal.
True ingenta/ingenta select provide the means for us to set up our access to
titles, but surely that is an extra precaution, we really shouldn't be
having to do all this work if the data publishers were sending to ingenta
was accurate in the first place, but then we all know it isn't!! If you've
ever asked to see a list of your subscriptions from a publisher, you will
find that in certain cases they are a long way away from being accurate.
Spelling mistakes and other "noise" on publishers databases can lead to your
subscriptions being scattered all over the place. It can take a long time to
get this information accurate.
I am using Sage as an example here because it's one I spent a lot of time
sorting out recently, I have had the same experience below with many other
publishers.
I recently asked for a list of our subscriptions from Sage. This enabled me
to identify several titles which were either new subscriptions of ours or
which Sage had recently taken over from other publishers. I then checked our
access to these titles on ingenta and found that we had access to hardly any
of these titles. After a lot of liaison between myself and Sage, and myself
and ingenta we finally have got our access sorted to all our subscribed
titles, but for how long, will I need to do this every year?
This suggests that the data being sent to ingenta does not enable accurate
matching up of institutions and their subscriptions, which is why we all
have to spend so much time papering over the cracks.
Is it not about time that this problem was got to grips with?
Cheers
Lesley
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-----Original Message-----
From: An informal open list set up by the UK Serials Group
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Terry Bucknell
Sent: 07 October 2003 10:02
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Problems with accessing an OUP journal, Parliamentary Affairs
through ingenta
Mieko et al,
My understanding of Lesley's first query is that OUP journal contents is
loaded onto Ingenta(Select)'s servers, not just referred through to OUP's
servers (i.e. different to the situation with ScienceDirect) so you
separately need to activate access at Ingenta(Select), as well as at the OUP
site.
If our subscriptions to any publisher's journals entitle us to online access
at more than one host, then I think that we should try to activate access at
all of them.
Say we only chose to activate access to OUP's journals at OUP's sites, and
linked to those from our catalogue. What about users who find a paper in one
of our subscribed OUP journals at Ingenta(Select) by searching
Ingenta(Select), Google, or a bibliographic database?
What we could do with is automatic communication between publishers and
hosts, so that when you set up access at one site, access is enabled at all
sites to which your subscription entitles you - an OpenActivate protocol! We
try to activate access at all available sites, but usually only link to one
from our catalogue to make the collation of usage stats easier. But I dare
say there are many journals where we have overlooked activating access at
all sites - until one of our users uncovers a problem at our 'chosen' site.
Terry Bucknell
Electronic Resources Manager
Harold Cohen Library
University of Liverpool
PO Box 123 Liverpool L69 3DA
Tel: +44 (0)151 794 5408 Fax: +44 (0)151 794 5417
Email: [log in to unmask]
--On 06 October 2003 17:29 +0100 Mieko Yamaguchi <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> Under "Full text access", "Information for libraries" on the BIDS web
> site, I found the following.
>
> "Several BIDS bibliographic databases (IBSS, RSC), are linked to
> ingentaJournals."
>
> So the next question is can you access the OUP journal article in
> question via the ingentajouranls site?
>
> I tried a couple of links from IBSS to OUP journal articles and was
> able to view PDF files. The journals I tried were Parliamentary
> Affairs and European Sociological Reviews.
>
> I don't think it's a matter of paying for the same title twice, but
> I'm not sure why we need to arrange that titles from publishers such
> as OUP and ScienceDirect are also accessible from ingenta when they
> can be accessed directly.
>
> We have always preferred to provide direct links to the publishers'
> site for electronic journals. "Closed" full text links such as IBSS
> to ingentajournals are often problematic as we don't know what's going
> on behind the scene.
>
> Ingentajournals is OpenURL compliant, so if you have a link resolver
> you should be able to link to articles from A&I databases. In order
> for linking to work the origin (in this case IBSS) must also be
> OpenURL c ompliant. As far as I can tell BIDS IBSS is not.
>
> If we are prepared to pay to access IBSS via CSA (which is OpenURL
> compliant) we can probably link from IBSS to ingentajournals without
> having to depend on BIDS's own linking mechanism and authentication,
> but I have digressed from your original question!
>
> Mieko
>
> On Thu, 2 Oct 2003, Lesley Crawshaw wrote:
>
>> One of the students was doing a search on IBSS (International
>> Bibliography of the Social Sciences) on BIDS, which provides some
>> links to full text journals. She had found a good reference to an
>> article in Parliamentary Affairs, an OUP title, but when we tried to
>> access the full text she was told by ingenta that "we were not
>> recognised as a subscriber of this journal, but could pay to view the
>> full text.
>>
>> Now, not only do we have a subscription to this journal, we also have
>> a deal for 2003 to access almost all of OUP journals. So why are we
>> being refused access? We can access the full text of this article
>> through the Highwire site where this title is located, but we can't
>> access the full text of this title on ingenta. I thought that with
>> OUP titles on ingenta that the authentication for access was carried
>> out at the OUP site, as is the case with titles on ScienceDirect, so
>> why are we being refused access? Should we really be expected to pay
>> twice for what we have already paid for?
>
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