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Subject:

Re: Alcoholism on the list

From:

Rebecca Seiferle <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:34:28 -0600

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Hi, Doug,

congratulations on the soccer victory! and I hope your elation continues.

Well, you mean in the last 24 hours or however long it's been between posts that the Scottish experts have retracted on the issue of slavery? Who were the slaves said to be and where did they come from? I don't know, but it seems to me that slavery is often "retracted." No one here would acknowledge that the Navajo learned silversmithing from the Pueblo women and children that they took in raids in from the 1600's to the late 1800's. It all sort of disappears.

I'm sorry to hear of your health troubles.

And good luck on the search for G-d, who is probably looking for the "great O" (to quote Vallejo) that's missing from within himself and so we never catch up with her.

Best,

Rebecca

Rebecca Seiferle
www.thedrunkenboat.com

-------Original Message-------
From: Douglas Clark <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: 04/24/03 03:34 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Alcoholism on the list

>
> There are now retractions about 'slaves' taking place as the resident
Scottish experts on soc.geneaolgy.britain make mincemeat of these ideas. I
skulk away being ignorant. I dont really know but still suspect it is not
far from the truth.

Regarding alcohol my liver took a terrible bashing five years ago when I
caught MRSA after emergency operations and was kept alive by machine for a
few weeks. The result is that nowadays I have to watch my alcohol intake
(counting units) so as not to risk my liver. So it is very seldom that I
consume enough alcohol to be as happy as I was in the good old days. But I
do try to get to the pub every day to see friends even if I only drink
lemonade or orange. People her may remember the days when I would post
absolutely blotto but I am not allowed that any more.

I was saying in the pub this afternoon 'all that matters in life is
getting
your drink down you' which used to be my catechism, but now in my old age,
as every does, I look for G-d. So among the books I bought today were the
crusading atheist Richard Dawkins latest tome and Karen Armstrong's
'Buddha'
(If you took away the transmigration Buddhism would be the perfect
religion..as an aside the book everybody should read is Matt Ridley's
'Nature via Nurture' which will change the way you think about the world
forever).

Forgive me talking so much but one of my soccer teams, the Glasgow Celtic,
have just won a vital European football match and it is elation time. And
to
Patrick I have always read your posts on Britpo and am delighted to see
you
here. I, too, am a pensioner and will be extremely rich when I qualify for
the Old Age Pension as well.



Douglas Clark, Bath, Somerset, England ....
Lynx: Poetry from Bath ......
 ...  <a target=_blank
href="http://www.dgdclynx.plus.com/lynx.html">http://www.dgdclynx.plus.com/lynx.html</a>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rebecca Seiferle" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: Alcoholism on the list


> Hi Doug,
>
> Well, that's a shock, finding that one's relatives were slaves. It would
> make me quiet too.
>
> I had an experience somewhat like this recently, when a friend and
ardent
> amateur genealogist suggested that my father's family, those two
brothers
> who crossed over the border from Swabia to Switzerland in the early
1800's
> were most likely Jewish, given the name, subsequent family professions,
and
> my blood type. Though I don't mean to compare being Jewish to being
slaves,
> well, there are some similarities, historically speaking, though being
> Jewish is a condition that would extend to me, as being a slave is not a
> condition that would extend to you. One would hope anyway.
>
> I don't know, I guess we could do our own informal survey on alcoholism
on
> the list. We could use signs like & or * at the front of a post to
> indicate how many drinks we had consumed in the couple of hours before
posting.
> Sort of a listalyzer test. Actually, though I hadn't thought of this, it
> makes me think differently of various exchanges if the posts were
written
out
> of an alcoholic daze. I don't drink very often and when I do
> do not usually want to be anywhere near a computer or a desk, which
> reminds me of course only of the woe of work, to which I should get
back.
>
> Good luck in finding those relatives,
>
> Rebecca
>
> Rebecca Seiferle
> <a target=_blank
> href="http://www.thedrunkenboat.com">www.thedrunkenboat.com</a>
> -------Original Message-------
> From: Douglas Clark <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: 04/23/03 08:41 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: alcoholism on the lists
>
> >
> > I am notorious for posting when I am back from the pub, like just now.
> But
> I
> am very quiet because I have just discovered that my mother's family
were
> slaves in Scotland and I am going to have to suss it out on
> rec.genealogy.britain
>
>
>
> Douglas Clark, Bath, Somerset, England ....
> Lynx: Poetry from Bath ......
>  ...  <a
>
target=_blank
>
href="http://www.dgdclynx.plus.com/lynx.html">http://www.dgdclynx.plus.com/l
ynx.html</a>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gabriel Gudding" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 3:08 PM
> Subject: alcoholism on the lists
>
>
> > I wonder. Anyone know a study of the effects of alcoholics on
> > listserves?  The symptoms often displayed by alcoholics and addicts:
the
> > "all about me" phenomenon, the paranoia, bickering, constant refusal
to
> > apologize, and the insistence that Everyone Else is the problem and
not
> > oneself: these are common features of the alcoholic mind. They are
also,
> > I've noticed, common problems on listserves. Has anyone seen studies?
> >
> > Gabe
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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