Dear Liz
I assume that your recent post below is part of your ongoing grievance with
Tom S on the shortlist discussion list. Regardless of the "rights and
wrongs" of your argument with Tom, airing your grievances in this way on
this discussion list probably serves more to discredit you rather than him.
For those of us who are not familiar with you, Tom or the shortlist
discussion list, (or the actual argument) the posts come across as
vindictive and nasty. I am not sure that this is the way you wish to be
seen?
Morning All,
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| c.c. [...] [log in to unmask]
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| Re: Shortlist discussion list
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| He (Tom) saaid:
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| " And I recognise that my experience is very different from theirs and
yours,
| Liz. But the point is, that you are the only person who complains about
the
| list on a regular basis. "
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| !!
|
| Liz Fetes MA
| Human Rights Activist
| and Advocate
| Herefordshire
| U.K.
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| a.k.a. egroup44
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Subject: Re: Disabled People in the anti Globalised/Capitalist movement ?
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| Subj: Re: Disabled People in the anti Globalised/Capitalist movement ?
| Date: 11/15/02 5:34:30 PM Pacific Standard Time
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| Hi Jules,
| I tried actually for a long time to have Anti Globalisation groups to
| invoilve disabled people. With not much luck. Whether it's the World
| Social Forum or the IFG Imnternational Forum on Globalization or THe Anti
| G8 Summit in Calgary my hometown.....
| And I think it's because the reality is that most people see us a medical
| problem to be dealt with within the medical system.
| Furthermore we often complicate the issues (for sure in the bioethics
| field euthanasia to gewnetics). And even if there are groups who promote
| us and our inclusion like ETC (www.etcgroup.org) they often are looked at
| like what you are talking about.
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| On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Jules Horsler wrote:
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| > On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:11:52 -0000, ColRevs <[log in to unmask]>
| wrote:
| >
| > >A message I've sent to: [log in to unmask]:-
| > >
| > >Can anyone inform me how Disabled People are 'included' within the
| > >Anti-Globalisation movement ?
| > >
| > >I'm aware of the difficulties with access for many disabled people with
| > >differing impairments.
| > >
| > >What do GR and other ant-globalised groups know about the needs of
| disabled
| > >people, especially when disabled people are the most socially and
economic
| > >excluded in the U.K and globalised world.
| > >
| > >What is the ant-globalised movement doing to 'include disabled people ?
| > >
| > >In my experience they are being excluded and marginalised from the
anti-
| > >globalised/capitalist movement, Why ?
| > >
| > >Regards
| > >
| > >Colin R
| > >HULL
| > >
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| > Colin,
| >
| > I am a disabled person and a member of GR (Globalise Resistance!). I was
| > very interested to see your post to the list and understand your
concerns.
| >
| > I am currently planning my MA dissertation and hope to do look at the
| > engagement or otherwise of the disability movement in the
anti-capitlaist /
| > anti-globalisation movement. I hope to find out why there was so little
| > involvement of the DM in Britain at the European Social Forum in
Florence.
| > Is this because of the barriers disabled people face to attend such
events
| > and participate in the protests / activities, is it because of a
| > ideological disagreement, or something else?
| >
| > Disabled People's organisations in Britain seem to have ignored the
growing
| > anti-capitalist movement in contrast to many other organisations who
would
| > seem to be natural allies of disabled people - women's groups, asylum
| > seekers groups, indigenous people's groups, environmentalists,
socialsts,
| > trade unionists, etc.
| >
| > Your question about what GR is doing to include disabled people is a
very
| > valid one. But it can be turned around. There is also a responsibility
on
| > disabled activists to take the anti-globalisation / capitalist ideas
into
| > the disability movement and to argue within organisations such as GR for
| > them to be made accessible and inclusive. I have no doubt that if an
| > individual or group of disabled people wanted to be involved in GR
| > activities that they would be happy to discuss with you how that could
be
| > done. I don't think though that we can expect them to know what needs to
be
| > done until we speak to them and engage with them. I don't know what your
| > negative experiences have been but mine have been very positive (unusual
to
| > be invovled in an orgnasiation and not to be patronised for being
disabled
| > and political). Not perfect, no, but compared to many other campaigning
| > groups (including disabled people's groups) they are doing quite well -
| > room for improvement though!
| >
| > Jules
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| Bioethics,Culture and Disability
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| (Saving this one for the uk disability movement archives!! :-) Liz.
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