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On Freud- Freud's attitude toward religion was very nuanced. He was
evidently very Jewishly literate. His inner sanctum contained a copy of
the Talmud and other Hebrew classics. So, being an atheist did not mean
that religion did not profoundly affect his model.
On Jung, I agree fully with Marjorie.
Jeffrey Woolf
On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, Marjorie Greene wrote:
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> Dear Claudio,
> Somehow Freud has gotten mixed up in this. I'd like to
> point out that, yes, Freud was an atheist and believed
> religion was a symptom of neurosis. It is precisely on
> this point that he and Jung differ and was, in large
> measure, the cause of their break. For Jung, a lack of
> connection with God (and I'll admit his "definition"
> of God was very slippery) was the principal cause of
> emotional strife. And God was to be found by looking
> within oneself. His theory of individuation (there's
> an ideal version of each person to which that person
> must constantly strive) is quite compatible with
> spirituality of whatever age. I'm reminded of Jung
> every time I read Augustine.
> MG
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> wrote:
> > When I speak of spiritual experience, I want to
> > suggest an experience
> > simply different to a psychological one. So I’m
> > agree when someone said
> > that there are many differences between our social
> > or intellectual
> > structures and the Middle Age. This is clear.But
> > the spiritual
> > experience (and I remember that Freud was
> > unbeliever) concerns the
> > relation between one person and God (the Christian
> > Godin this case, I
> > speak about the European Middle Age), as two
> > persons, with their
> > ontological structures, always the same, despite the
> > history ‘s
> > changes. So the psychological experience concerns
> > the historical
> > singular experience(il vissuto, in italian), while
> > the spiritual
> > experience concerns the relation between God and
> > man, enlightened by
> > the Revelation light. This, according to the spirit
> > of medieval man,
> > and our spirit also. Best, and thank you for this
> > interesting
> > discussion. Claudio Attardi
> > > medieval-
> > religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion
> > and culture
> > >
> > > Dear Marjorie.
> > > Let's put things into context. The
> > conversation took place in the
> > spring
> > > of 1977 when Duby was just beginning to make waves
> > in the US. So it's
> > really
> > > unfair to judge Professor Constable's comments by
> > the state of scholar
> > ship
> > > today. Second, he is a wonderful scholar and a
> > very open thinker from
> > whom I
> > > learned worlds, so I think the harshness of your
> > comment is out of pla
> > ce.
> > > Third, not being a Foucault aficionado, I
> > personally am very cautious
> > about
> > > 'psycho' anything when it comes to other periods.
> > Gurevitch has persua
> > ded me
> > > that the emotional and intellectual structure of
> > medieval society was
> > very
> > > different than ours. Each generation's neuroses
> > were dealt with differ
> > ently.
> > > So, as Barry Rubin has recently argued, Freud may
> > have beenirrelevant
> >to
> > > the needs of earlier periods. OTOH, I do suspect
> > that living within a
> > more
> > > or less integrated belief system provides more
> > emotional support and h
> > ence
> > > less emotional illness, than does life in an
> > industrial, libertarian
> > > society.
> > >
> > > Jeffrey Woolf
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Marjorie Greene" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 2:24 AM
> > > Subject: [M-R] Constable response
> > >
> > >
> > > > medieval-
> > religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion
> > and culture
> > > >
> > > > Your question to Giles Constable was thoughtful
> > and
> > > > very interesting. It's too bad his response was:
> > 1)
> > > > non-responsive; and 2) uninformed. Perhaps it
> > was
> > > > years before psycho-history,
> > psycho-anthropology,
> > > > psychoanalytical art- and literary criticism,
> > etc.
> > > > were fully accepted areas of learned research.
> > It
> > > > bespeaks a true fear of the topic, one that is
> > gaining
> > > > in its ability to pique interest. My students
> > > > frequently wonder about the effects of child
> > rearing
> > > > practices on the (medieval) children in question
> > and I
> > > > have no decent informed response. Perhaps I just
> > don't
> > > > know where to look...
> > > > MG
> > > >
> > > >
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