medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
--- Christopher Crockett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval
> religion and culture
>
> Scott Matthews <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> >Timothy Ladd wrote:
> "One of the main reasons that Freud will not be
> very useful in the Middle
> Ages is that there was no crisis of identity as we
> know it. Socioeconomic
> factors there again being the major cause of this
> psychological divide."
>
>
>
> >Many would argue that the proliferation of popular
> religious groups
> between the end of the tenth century and the
> beginning of the thirteenth was
> itself much to do with a crisis of identity.
>
> perhaps Timothy should have said "that there was,
> *relatively,* no crisis of
> identity as we know it."
>
> or, maybe that's what his "as we know it" was meant
> to imply.
>
>
> >The political and socio-economic factors which
> sociologists are inclined to
> identify as quintessentially modern (e.g.
> commercialisation,
> urbanisation, individualism, centralisation,
> technological change, etc. etc.)
> appear to have been as much a part of the high
> Middle Ages as of our own
> modernity.
>
>
> !!
>
>
> o, for goodness' sake.
>
> >The sociological models which are used to describe
> our own epoch are often
> applicable to the past.
>
> within certain well and deliberately defined limits,
> and with great caution,
> perhaps.
>
> >Our medieval ancestors differ fundamentally from us
> in the worldviews,
> conceptual frameworks, religious and secular
> narratives within which they
> expressed and resolved (in part) their own crises of
> identity.
>
> agreed.
>
> >Nonetheless, this does not mean that the Middle
> Ages somehow had a
> 'coherent' and 'integrated belief-system'.
> Constable, among others, has
> written at great length about the religious
> conflicts between
> rival religious orders in the twelfth century, not
> to mention various
> heretical sects in the period.
>
>
> again, i'm sure even the Great Man would agree that
> it's a question of
> *relative* "coherence" and "integration of
> belief-system."
>
> to compare the [admittedly very real] "religious
> conflicts" between, say, the
> Cluniacs & Cistercians with the intensely divisive,
> not infrequently violent,
> and thoroughly "disintegrated" ones of the Modern
> Era (from the early 16th c.
> to the Present Moment) is to fundamentally
> misunderstand the nature of both
> "conflicts."
>
> *nothing* compares, historically, with the present
> "incoherent" and
> "disintegrated belief-system" of the world we live
> in.
>
>
> best from here, nonetheless,
>
> christopher
>
>
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