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Subject:

Re: Provenance

From:

"Wagner,Harry" <[log in to unmask]>

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Wagner,Harry

Date:

Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:25:35 -0400

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One additional question...

I can see how, given this model, I can (programmatically) get from dc:title
to the resources described in "#deDE_1" and "#deDE_2" (by looking for an
rdf:Statement with an rdf:Subject of dc:title), but how would a program get
from dc:title to the resource described in "#deDE_0"?

Regards,
Harry

>  -----Original Message-----
> From:         Wagner,Harry
> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 2:26 PM
> To:   'Roland Schwaenzl'; [log in to unmask];
> [log in to unmask]
> Subject:      Provenance
>
> Roland,
> Many thanks for your help with this.  I think this is a very
> elegant solution, albeit a difficult one to implement.  I am
> forwarding it to the dc-registry and dc-international
> listservs in order to solicit the opinions of other members
> regarding how best to implement your suggestion.
>
> A few questions:
>
> Your example maintains metadata about the translated term,
> and about each property of the translation.  Do we need this
> level of granularity?  Do we need it in phase 1?  If yes, how
> would we implement it?  The current registry will return the
> following for 'title' (German interface):
>
> http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/title
>
> Aufkleber               Titel
> Definition              Titel der Quelle; der vom Verfa sser,
> Urheber...
> Wird Vorbei Definiert   http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/
> RDF-Art                 Property
> Superproperty Von       alternative
> Superproperty Von       label
>
> I had thought what we would want to see displayed in this
> case would be the same as above, with the addition of a
> 'disclaimer', such as:
>
> RechtcManagement        Die publizierende Organisation
> uebernimmt keine... (The publisher disclaims any responsibility...)
>
> Is this correct?  If no, what should the display resemble
> when a user clicks on 'title'?
>
> If we do plan to create metadata for the translated labels,
> definitions and comments of each term, how would we display
> that information?  I think it would be confusing to have one
> (or more) creator, description, comment and rights displayed
> for each property.  One solution might be to provide a link
> next to each label that a user could click to generate a new
> search for the provenance information?  Something like:
>
>
> http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/title
>
> Aufkleber <info>        Titel
> Definition <info>       Titel der Quelle; der vom Verfa sser,
> Urheber...
> Wird Vorbei Definiert   http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/
> RechtcManagement        Die publizierende Organisation
> uebernimmt keine...
> RDF-Art                 Property
> Superproperty Von       alternative
> Superproperty Von       label
>
> Of course <info> is probably not the best choice, but does,
> hopefully, get the idea across.
>
> Sorry for the long-winded post, but this is not an easy
> solution to implement and I want to make certain of what we
> are trying to achieve before making any additional changes to
> the source code.
>
> Best Regards,
> Harry
>
>
> > Dear Harry,
> >
> >
> > enclosed a slightly expanded version of your files.
> > In that i pushed the disclaimer to a rights statement about the
> > the association of "Titel, xml:lang="de-DE"" by means of
> "rdfs:label"
> > to "dc:title".
> >
> >
> >
> > I stress the issue of associating expressions in certain
> > languages with
> > certain DC Terms in a given context (given by the current
> predicate).
> >
> >
> >
> > In case you want export RDF Term declarations in arbitrary
> languages
> > one could mark the language independent parts also and could
> > declare the those assertions as authentic...
> >
> >
> > Best,
> > rs
> >
> >
> > <?xml version="1.0"?>
> >
> > <!DOCTYPE rdf:RDF [
> >         <!ENTITY rdfns
> 'http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#'>
> >         <!ENTITY rdfsns 'http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#'>
> >         <!ENTITY dcns 'http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/'>
> >         <!ENTITY eorns 'http://dublincore.org/2000/03/13/eor#'>
> >    ]>
> >
> > <rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf="&rdfns;"
> >          xmlns:rdfs="&rdfsns;"
> >          xmlns:dc="&dcns;"
> >          xmlns:eor="&eorns;">
> >
> >
> > <!-- Begin: Title Declaration -->
> >
> > <rdf:Property rdf:about = "&dcns;title"/>
> >
> >
> > <rdf:Description rdf:about = "&dcns;title" bagID="deDe_0">
> >   <rdfs:label rdf:ID="deDE_1" xml:lang="de-DE">Titel</rdfs:label>
> >   <rdfs:comment rdf:ID="deDE_2" xml:lang="de-DE">Titel der
> > Quelle; der vom Verfa
> > sser, Urheber oder Verleger vergebene Namen der
> >   Ressource</rdfs:comment>
> >
> > </rdf:Description>
> >
> > <rdf:Description rdf:about="#deDe_0">
> >         <dc:description xml:lang="de-DE">
> >           Sprachabhaengiger Teil der Deklaration eines
> > DC-Terms in Deutsch.
> >         </dc:description>
> >         <dc:description xml:lang="en-US">
> >           Language dependent part of the deklaration of a DC
> > Term in German.
> >         </dc:description>
> >         <dc:publisher>DCMI</dc:publisher>
> >         <dc:source
> > rdf:resource="http://www.dublincore.org/documents/dces"/>
> > </rdf:Description>
> >
> >
> > <rdf:Description rdf:about="#deDE_1">
> >         <dc:creator>Diann</dc:creator>
> >         <dc:description xml:lang="de-DE">Zuordnung eines
> > deutschen Labels
> >          zu einem DC Term</dc:description>
> >         <dc:description xml:lang="en-US">Association of a
> > German label to
> >           a DC term</dc:description>
> >         <dc:publisher>DCMI</dc:publisher>
> >         <dc:rights xml:lang="de-DE">
> >           Die publizierende Organisation uebernimmt keine
> > Gewaehr fuer die
> >           Richtigkeit der Zuordnung des deutschen Ausdrucks.
> >         </dc:rights>
> >         <dc:rights xml:lang="en-US">The publisher disclaims
> > any responsibility
> >           for the correctnes of the association of the German
> > expression.
> >         </dc:rights>
> > </rdf:Description>
> >
> >
> > <rdf:Description rdf:about="#deDE_2">
> >         <dc:creator>Walter</dc:creator>
> >         <dc:description xml:lang="de-DE">Zuordnung eines deutschen
> >          RDFS Kommentars zu einem DC Term</dc:description>
> >         <dc:description xml:lang="en-US">Association of a
> > German RDFS comment
> >           to a DC term</dc:description>
> >         <dc:publisher>DCMI</dc:publisher>
> >         <dc:rights xml:lang="de-DE">
> >           Die publizierende Organisation uebernimmt keine
> > Gewaehr fuer die
> >           Richtigkeit der Zuordnung des deutschen Ausdrucks.
> >         </dc:rights>
> >         <dc:rights xml:lang="en-US">The publisher disclaims
> > any responsibility
> >           for the correctnes of the association of the German
> > expression.
> >         </dc:rights>
> > </rdf:Description>
> >
> >
> >
> > </rdf:RDF>
>
>
> Harry Wagner
> OCLC / DCMI
> Dublin, OH  43017
> (614) 761-5178
> mailto:[log in to unmask]
>

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