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Subject:

Re: transitional plan

From:

Mandi Morse <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Discussion of Welsh language technical terminology and vocabulary including <[log in to unmask]>

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Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:52:48 -0000

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Cytunaf yn llwyr ag awgrymiadau Tim ynglyn ag adolygu termau'n gyson gan fod yr hinsawdd ieithyddol yn newid trwy'r amser.
Ga i hefyd ddweud, fel rhywun sydd newydd ymuno a'r cylch, y byddwn yn gwerthfawrogi'n fawr iawn cael argraffiad o'r archifau oherwydd nid oes syniad gen i am beth sydd wedi ei drafod o'r blaen. Dwi'n sylweddoli wrth gwrs y gallwn droi ato ar y cyfrifiadur, ond mae hwylustod yn beth pwysig iawn yn y math yma o waith!

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From: Tim Saunders [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 08 March 2002 11:37
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: transitional plan


Hoffwn amenio'n frwd i sylwadau Delyth, ac hefyd ategu ambell i bwynt
fechan.

Mae'n fwy tebygol fod hwn yn gyfieithiad ddewiswyd wrth weithio ar frys ac o
dan bwysau - problem sy'n gyfarwydd i ni i gyd.

> Mea maxima culpa sawl gwaith drosodd!


Y cwestiwn wedyn, ac rydym i gyd wedi gorfod wynebu hyn hefyd, yw beth sy'n
digwydd pan fydd yn rhaid i ni ddyfynnu neu ddilyn dogfen arall lle nad ydym
yn hapus gyda'r cyfieithiad gwreiddiol. Mae cywirdeb cysyniadol ein
cyfieithiadau yn bwysig (llawer pwysicach na chysondeb termau)

> Amen, amen ac amen!


a cheir rhai sefyllfaoedd lle mae'n rhaid tynnu sylw'r sawl gomisiynodd y
cyfieithiad gwreiddiol at wallau pwysig.

> Bydd gofyn am ddoniau diplomataidd *neilltuol* weithiau, gan fod
ceidwadaeth gynhenid rhai ohonom yn ein gwneud yn amharod   > i ystyried
newid y cyfarwydd, hyd yn oed er gwell. Oes gan gyd-weithwyr unrhyw
gynghorion arbennig am sut i eirio sylwaday    > ayyb?



Yn yr achos hwn byddwn yn awgrymu:
1. bod y cyfieithydd ddaeth ar draws y broblem yn awr yn gofyn am ddiffiniad
manylach o'r broses dan sylw er mwyn deall yr ystyr yn well.

> Beth yw'r peth gorau i'w wneud os yw'r cyfieithydd yn anfodlon trafod y
mater?

2. os yw'n canfod mai 'cynllun pontio' fyddai'r cyfieithiad cywiraf yma ei
bod hi'n defnyddio'r term hwnnw gan ychwanegu rhwng cromfachau ar ei ôl
"(sydd hefyd wedi cael ei alw yn 'gynllun trawsnewid')" y tro cyntaf mae'n
digwydd yn ei chyfieithiad er mwyn i ddarllenwyr gysylltu'r term gyda'r term
arall yn y ddogfen flaenorol 3. bod y cylch trafod yn cael gwybod beth oedd
y penderfyniad fel bod cofnod ohono yn yr archif ar gyfer y dyfodol.

> Tybed a fyddai modd golygu ac argraffu archifau'r rhestr drafod yma, er
mwyn y bobl sydd heb fynediad i'r rhyngrwyd? Os gwn   > i a fyddai rhyw
gyfnodolyn safonol yn fodlon cynnwys colofn eirfaol yn tarddu o'r rhestr
yma?

Mae pwynt 2 uchod yn ddyfais y mae modd ei defnyddio mewn sefyllfaoedd
eraill lle nad yw rhywun yn hapus i gadw at derm sydd wedi'i ddefnyddio'n
flaenorol. Byddai'n dda clywed os yw aelodau eraill y cylch wedi canfod
ffyrdd eraill o ddelio gyda'r broblem hon.

>  Mewn egwyddor, fe ddylai canllawiau Delyth fod yn ddigon rhwydd i'w
cymhwyso, gan fod termau ac ymadroddion cysefin yn    >  cael eu newid o
bryd i'w gilydd mewn sawl iaith fodd bynnag. Gan fod pwer i roi grym
cyfreithiol i eiriau Cymraeg gyda'r
>  Cynulliad, tybed a fyddai modd sefydlu rhyw fath o drefn gogyfer ag
adolygu cywirdeb termau'm gyson a sicrhau bod rhai
>  anghywir yn cael eu disodli?

Tim

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