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america

From:

Anny Ballardini <[log in to unmask]>

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Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics <[log in to unmask]>

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Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:40:58 +0200

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what can i tell you Lawrence, i have too much respect for you, that is why i
am answering
you maybe didn't spend almost thirty years in a place where when anything
went wrong it was addressed against what you consider to be your
mother-country (i spent my first 10 years there)
there are beautiful names in italian literature, like Calvino, Cesare Pavese
and Fenoglio, the same Montale, who did their best with Fernanda Pivano and
Mary de Rachewiltz to translate from American (and also English -- here i
wanted to talk to you about ugo carrega a good friend of mine in
visual-concrete poetry and such who was the curator of dalla grazia, now an
enormous collection at the museum of bolzano, as soon as i have some time)
into Italian to enrich both language and society, on the other hand there is
this silly on-vogue attitude among the "intellectuals(?)" who despise all
what comes from america. it is an obsession. something that hits deeply the
mass who receives information and absorbs it without processing. mass does
not even know what imperialism is, and few times do "intellectuals" have
time enough to specify they are against American Imperialism, they just say
it is american... (and also on imperialism i have my own ideas)
consider the movies, we have these silliest products coming out of a couple
of italian directors - directly paid by the minister, and you go and read
reviews and they say they are absolutely magnificent, when a product like
minority report can become a sub-film because made in hollywood.
i can objectively see they are forcing on me a position i do not want to
share, i am sorry

> I don't see, Anny, that David going to the states is going to alter the
> truth or falsity of what he has said about imperialism
>
> Come to UK and you stand a good chance of being met with friendliness but
> the UK still bombs people for immoral reasons
>
> I have met some of the politest and apparently friendly people in USA but
I
> have no problem when he says _but the cultural imperialism of the States
is
> undeniable_
>
> L
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anny Ballardini" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: 11 October 2002 06:03
> Subject: Re: Billy Collins/Robert Creeley (Editor)
>
>
> | when i was younger and shier, i didn't say anything, just closed myself
to
> | it all,
> | in the last years i have started asking people, but have you ever been
to
> | the states? no, is the usual answer; so what do you know
> | how can you possibly know and judge? therefore, please david, this
coming
> | summer (so far away i agree) see if you can get there, and only after
that
> | build up your opinion, thank you
> |
> |
> | > Hi Frank
> | >
> | > it fascinates me that you pick up on the issue of 'prejudice', as if
I,
> as
> | > an unemployed working-class Brit, was somehow an oppressor of 'poor'
> | > middle-class Americans, and that somehow by even voicing any concerns
I
> | was
> | > beating down the richest and most powerful AND most selfish nation in
> the
> | > world.
> | >
> | > I know not everyone in the US is a redneck but the cultural
imperialism
> of
> | > the States is undeniable, the evasion of that fact is the problem with
> US
> | > poetry. I could say a lot of nasty things about English or Brit verse
> btw,
> | > there's nothing partial about what I'm saying.
> | >
> | > Best
> | >
> | > Dave
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | > David Bircumshaw
> | >
> | > Leicester, England
> | >
> | > Home Page
> | >
> | > A Chide's Alphabet
> | >
> | > Painting Without Numbers
> | >
> | > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm
> | > ----- Original Message -----
> | > From: "Frank Parker" <[log in to unmask]>
> | > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> | > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 2:39 AM
> | > Subject: Re: Billy Collins/Robert Creeley (Editor)
> | >
> | >
> | > david.bircumshaw:
> | > >And it's AMERICA again, I shall of course dance around to a
> star-spangled
> | > >banner on a daily basis,
> | >
> | > Hi David,
> | >
> | > No one is waving a flag in your face. People talk about
> | > British/Australian/Scots
> | > poets/poetry/poetics/sensibilities, you name it, frequently on this
> List.
> | > Gabe is
> | > just speaking from his local experience and, frankly, the prejudice
you
> | are
> | > showing is unwarranted and getting really old. I thought not even to
> | respond
> | > (why
> | > perpetuate the issue?) except to say "get over it". Your second
> paragraph
> | > detracts
> | > from the valid questions of your first paragraph.
> | >
> | > Not everyone this side of the pond is a knee-jerk redneck hell bent on
> | > cultural
> | > imperialism.
> | >
> | > **************************
> | > Frank Parker
> | > [log in to unmask]
> | > http://users.montereyisp.com/frank
> | >
> |
>

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