.Which is not the same as saying that the mediaeval
Europeans invented Love per se -
Surely not - maybe, via many curious transmissions, Arabic & Islamic as much
as Christian-Classical, they created a certain vocabulary which, in its
further transformations, is with us still now?
Best
Dave
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From: "Alison Croggon" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Enhance your writing with Emotional Analysis! / Paz
Yes, physical incarnation matters hugely to me too - I'd have to
include that extraordinary poem Blanco, I don't think I ever quite
got over the surprise and delight of that one - the way you can read
it all ways, like the body of a lover, and its challenge to linear
time, again as erotic love seems to dissolve time into a subjective
simultaneity -
my understanding is that the troubadours infected the courts which
led to courtly love, which then mutated into all its interesting
manifestations, including the love mysticism which is interesting me
at the moment. Which is not the same as saying that the mediaeval
Europeans invented Love per se -
Best
A
At 1:47 PM +0100 23/3/02, Martin J. Walker wrote:
>Briefly on Paz's poetry: "Piedra de sol" and "Nocturno de San Ildefonso"
>(to choose two central long poems) seem to me to evoke & do homage to the
>loved woman more richly, because contextual to a dialectic of time &
>incarnation, becoming & flowing, than I can think of any other poems doing.
>I don't understand the objection that he's "inside the woman" all the time
~
>her body is also the world for him, the mystery of everyday, the anonymous
>heartbeat of all, unique heartbeat of every individual, moon, soul, sea, as
>she "se ata/ a su fluir,/ se dispersa en su forma:/también es cuerpo./ La
>verdad/ es el oleaje de una respiración/ y las visiones que miran unos ojos
>cerrados:/ palpable misterio de la persona." I love it. "L'amour de loin",
>by the way, given a late (final?) twist by Rilke, was imported into Europe
>by those troubadours who first expressed for us that adoring
"amour-passion"
>that became so definitive for Hollywood movies. To me an engagement with
the
>other's bodily existence is what love is all about, inadequate as I may be
>in this respect.
>Martin
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