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Re: no subject left! Lefts.

From:

Richard Dillon <[log in to unmask]>

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Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics <[log in to unmask]>

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Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:23:55 -0500

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No greater marketer than this Richard Dillon has Andrea Brady for her
misbegotten agitprop, to his unflinching bepuzzled McCluhanesque
probity.

While we're at it:  Hamlet took arms against a sea of troubles, which
included King Claudius.  Same with Dubya.  We all must face our fates.

Birc's fate is to _____________ in the final analysis.

Where's the fish?



>  >But who on this list other than thee and me and Richard have actually read
>it?  Fewer than have copies, given the number of list members printed in
>it.}<
>
>Probably nobody, as you know I haven't read it for the reason that I've
>never seen the bloody thing, Rob, but what isn't acceptable is the continual
>abuse Richard pumps out towards Andrea Brady and Keston. As you know, I
>know, the poetry publishing scene in Britain is under threat by
>circumstances, that a well-off American like Richard chooses to villify some
>of the few people around here who actually get work published (that is, not
>just their own) is a disgrace.
>
>Richard's perfectly entitled to his own views on 100 Days, as is any reader,
>what he is not entitled to is a campaign of destruction.
>
>David Bircumshaw
>
>Leicester, England
>
>Home Page
>
>A Chide's Alphabet
>
>Painting Without Numbers
>
>http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Robin Hamilton" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 9:46 PM
>Subject: Re: no subject left! Lefts.
>
>
>From: "Lawrence Upton" <[log in to unmask]>
>
>>  For interest, Robin, what was I wrong about?
>
>That there was good stuff in it.  To be honest, you may be right, but it was
>so badly edited and presented (to my eyes at least) that digging the jewels
>from the dung would take too much effort.
>
>Richard and I are probably equally ballistic over _100 Days_, for totally
>opposite reasons.
>
>>  I think I summarise myself correctly: that I mistrusted it conceptually,
>but
>>  I trust the editor and publishers - I admire them tremendously as poets
>
>See my earlier posts on this -- I +really+ dislike and distrust posture
>politics, and it would have been yesterday's newspaper without 9/11.  As
>agitprop, it sucked. And Richard is totally right here, the bloody book put
>itself forward as agitprop.
>
>>  I supported / support the aim, despite my suspicion of agitprop; I
>supported
>>  the claim that there is a need to express dissent even if it is unheard -
>>  even if it is condemned by know nothing arrogant air heads as an attempt
>to
>>  take over the world
>
>Phoey.  If you're going to do agitprop, bloody get it RIGHT.  Shelley in
>Mask, Mayakovsky in "Red Passport", Harrison on the Gulf War.  NOT some
>incestuous Ivy League/Oxbridge publication that no one will read.
>
>{Oh, lor', I'm losing my temper, amn't I, Lawrence?
>
>But who on this list other than thee and me and Richard have actually read
>it?  Fewer than have copies, given the number of list members printed in
>it.}
>
>  > I think things moved faster than Andrea expected - and this I didn't say
>  > explicitly that Sep 11 changed / diminished the likelihood of pop sales
>
>As you say, "I mistrusted it conceptually".
>
>Conceptually it was flawed.  Presentationally it was crap.  As any kind of
>intervention in a political debate, it was a joke.
>
>>  I think there's some good stuff in it
>
>Maybe.  And that's the crunch.  I've done my bit -- I (for better or worse)
>ran a List critique on the Ann Waldman piece in 100D.
>
>I really do think the ball is in your camp now -- pick a piece, a +specific+
>piece, from 100D and explain why it will Live Forever.
>
>At least both Richard and I have copies.
>
>>  And I thought I was right about everything all the time
>
>Don't we all, brudda?
>
><g>
>
>Robin


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