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Subject: VICTORIA Digest - 14 Jun 2002 to 15 Jun 2002 (#2002-165)
There are 18 messages totalling 489 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Photos of Tennyson's children (4)
2. Gaslight E Text
3. Gentlemen in Gaskell (2)
4. Gentlemen
5. Weak Heart (5)
6. Obituary
7. Favell Lee Mortimer
8. weak heart
9. Are there any anti-Ritualist novels in the house?
10. Grant Allen's stories
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 03:15:53 -0700
From: Jack Kolb <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Photos of Tennyson's children
Some Victorians might be interested in the following page:
http://www.histclo.hispeed.com/country/eng/co-eng-18601.html
It's part of a site devoted to boys' historical clothing (which itself
looks fascinating), and contains a number of pictures of the two Tennyson
sons, including a couple I'd never seen before.
Jack Kolb
Dept. of English, UCLA
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:58:18 +0100
From: Janet McHugh-Baguley <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Gaslight E Text
Dear Members,
I wonder if anyone on the list has been able to access the Gaslight E =
Text site yet. The link I have now simply brings up a Test Page message =
- If anyone has managed to gain access to the site via another link =
could they please email me the details.
Many thanks.
Janet
Janet McHugh Baguley
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 07:31:20 -0500
From: Christine DeVine <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Gentlemen in Gaskell
This is a follow up to Ellen Jordan's interesting post about the
'gentlemen'pharmacists.
In Hardy's A PAIR OF BLUE EYES, Mrs. Swancourt, when showing Elfride around
London, corrects her when she uses the word gentleman:
'My dear, you mustn't say "gentlemen" nowadays,' her stepmother answered in
the tones of arch concern that so well became her ugliness. 'We have handed
over "gentlemen" to the lower middle class, where the word is still to be
heard at tradesmen's balls and provincial tea-parties, I believe. It is done
with here.'
'What must I say, then?'[Elfride enquires]
' "Ladies and men" always' [Mrs. S. replies]
I imagine Mrs. Swancourt could have been referring to those pharmacists!
Christine DeVine
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University of Louisiana at Lafayette
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:12:37 +0100
From: "Godfrey,EC (ug)" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Gentlemen
Thank you to everyone who emailed their thoughts on gentlemen and the
double. I had looked at Palmer Smythe's self-help book before and Robin
Gilmour's work but also found Girouard and Mason (featured in the
suggestions) very helpful. I also found some other books at the British
Library - one entitled 'Etiquette for Gentlemen', which made for amusing
reading!
Thanks once again,
Emelyne Godfrey
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:51:28 EDT
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Subject: Weak Heart
At Leslie's kind suggestion, I have begun working on "weak heart." I am
interested both in the medical diagnosis and treatment, and in the social
perception of the condition. I have been reading mainly medical texts.
A physician I consulted recently said that the term nowadays would be
"congestive heart failure." In Victorian times, with only a stethoscope and
touch for diagnosis, the condition was trickier than it is today. The only
drug available, he said, was digitalis (is he right?) And bedrest was
prescribed.
But I am also interested in the way "weak heart" was used(mostly by women)
as a kind of power play. My great-grandmother, I am told, was supposed to
have had a weak heart, but she ruled the household from her pillow. One
didn't like to cross her because of her "heart condition."
What I am after from the List, please, is literary references to "weak
heart" and the way the condition functions in the text. The List seems to
comprise more literary people than historians, so I appeal to your greater
familiarity with the works of the period. Thanks for all suggestions.
Cynthia Behrman
History Dept
Wittenberg University
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 12:11:22 -0400
From: Hugh MacDougall <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Weak Heart
I think first of Thaddeus Sholto, in Arthur Conan Doyle's early Sherlock
Holmes novel "The Sign of the Four" (1890), who is convinced that he has a
weak heart (though Dr. Watson can't find anything wrong with him), and who
recounts how the late Major Morstan (father of the heroine) "had suffered
for years from a weak heart" and had died as a result of what we might today
call a stroke.
Hugh MacDougall
Cooperstown, NY
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Subject: Weak Heart
> At Leslie's kind suggestion, I have begun working on "weak heart." I am
> interested both in the medical diagnosis and treatment, and in the social
> perception of the condition. I have been reading mainly medical texts.
> A physician I consulted recently said that the term nowadays would be
> "congestive heart failure." In Victorian times, with only a stethoscope
and
> touch for diagnosis, the condition was trickier than it is today. The
only
> drug available, he said, was digitalis (is he right?) And bedrest was
> prescribed.
>
> But I am also interested in the way "weak heart" was used(mostly by women)
as
> a kind of power play. My great-grandmother, I am told, was supposed to
have
> had a weak heart, but she ruled the household from her pillow. One didn't
> like to cross her because of her "heart condition."
>
> What I am after from the List, please, is literary references to "weak
heart"
> and the way the condition functions in the text. The List seems to
comprise
> more literary people than historians, so I appeal to your greater
familiarity
> with the works of the period. Thanks for all suggestions.
>
> Cynthia Behrman
> History Dept
> Wittenberg University
>
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:31:10 +0100
From: Michael Thorn <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Photos of Tennyson's children
Thanks to Jack
for this link...
I'm pretty sure I hadn't seen the top
picture before, either
Michael
Michael Thorn
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Sent: 15 June 2002 11:16
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Subject: Photos of Tennyson's children
Some Victorians might be interested in the following page:
http://www.histclo.hispeed.com/country/eng/co-eng-18601.html
It's part of a site devoted to boys' historical clothing (which itself
looks fascinating), and contains a number of pictures of the two Tennyson
sons, including a couple I'd never seen before.
Jack Kolb
Dept. of English, UCLA
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:39:00 +0100
From: Albert Purbrick <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Obituary
The obituary of Professor Arthur Pollard was in the London papers this
week. He was 89 and taught Victorian literature at Hull University. He was
a staunch defender of Victorian values, both as a traditionalist within the
Church of England's synod and as one of the first scholars to draw
attention to the debasement of standards in schoolteaching.
He was founding president of the Gaskell Society, chairman of the Bronte
Society and a vice-president of the Tennyson Society.
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Albert Purbrick
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 12:41:47 -0700
From: Laura Vorachek <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Favell Lee Mortimer
A friend of a friend is looking for information on Favell Lee Mortimer (née
Bevan), author of Protestant children's books including "The Countries of
Europe Described" (1852) and "The Peep of Day" (1837). Any recommendations
on where he should look? Please send replies to Todd Pruzan at
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Thank you,
Laura Vorachek
Department of English
University of Wisconsin--Madison
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 13:19:45 -0500
From: Gerri Brightwell <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Weak Heart
Lady Verinder in Wilkie Collins' The Moonstone (1868) is diagnosed with a
heart problem from which she dies after lots of lying around on sofas and
turning bluish.
Also, in the story "Tenant for Life" in Andrew Forrester's _The Female
Detective_ (1864) the nasty Sir Nathaniel conveniently drops dead from a
heart attack (after turning purple several times) before he can sue the
Shedleighs for unwittingly depriving him of his inheritance.
Gerri Brightwell
University of Minnesota
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> At Leslie's kind suggestion, I have begun working on "weak heart." I am
> interested both in the medical diagnosis and treatment, and in the social
> perception of the condition. I have been reading mainly medical texts.
> A physician I consulted recently said that the term nowadays would be
> "congestive heart failure." In Victorian times, with only a stethoscope
> and touch for diagnosis, the condition was trickier than it is today.
> The only drug available, he said, was digitalis (is he right?) And
> bedrest was prescribed.
>
> But I am also interested in the way "weak heart" was used(mostly by
> women) as a kind of power play. My great-grandmother, I am told, was
> supposed to have had a weak heart, but she ruled the household from her
> pillow. One didn't like to cross her because of her "heart condition."
>
> What I am after from the List, please, is literary references to "weak
> heart" and the way the condition functions in the text. The List seems
> to comprise more literary people than historians, so I appeal to your
> greater familiarity with the works of the period. Thanks for all
> suggestions.
>
> Cynthia Behrman
> History Dept
> Wittenberg University
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 19:02:22 +0100
From: Keith Wright <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Photos of Tennyson's children
Michael,
the image on the top of teh page Jack mentions is of Julia Marshall and the
Tennyson boys taken at the Marshall's house at Coniston in the Lake district
in 1857. It's about a mile from Ruskin's house Brantwood.
If you go to the Lewis Carroll home page and click on the photo links to
Princeton images you will see more of Lewis Carroll's images of Tennyson.
Keith
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 19:03:09 +0100
From: Keith Wright <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Photos of Tennyson's children
Jack,
the images on these pages on Tennyson are fine, the first two are taken
around the same time 1857 by Lewis Carroll.
Tennyson's sons were by no means dressed typically for their time, even for
children of well to do parents!
However, I have rarely seen a site with so many wrong statements as this
one!
Many of the statements made about Tennyson are in error and it really is not
good enough for someone to put so many wrong facts out as this - it cannot
be regarded as being a site for accuracy!
I would suggest people use the images but by no means take anything said
about Tennyson or his family as being the true facts!
Keith
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 12:41:25 -0700
From: "J. Retseck" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Weak Heart
Mrs. Westenra, Lucy's mother in Stoker's _Dracula_ (1897), suffers from a
"weakening" heart. This means she cannot be told about Lucy's own
mysterious illness, which leads to her endangering Lucy's health (and as it
turns out, soul) through her enforced ignorance. She eventually dies of
shock when a wolf crashes through the bedroom window. (References begin
in Ch 8, August 15 entry, and continue through Mrs. W's death).
Another instance of keeping shocking knowledge from someone (again a woman)
because of a weak heart can be found in American writer Kate Chopin's short
story "The Story of an Hour" (1984). Again, the patient dies of shock,
though not in the way her friends expected.
Janet Retseck
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 15:07:52 -0500
From: Susanna Elisabeth Ryan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: weak heart
I think of Osborne Hamley in Gaskell's _Wives and Daughters_, who suffers
from a heart condition -- a malady that adds to the novel's attempt at
realigning notions of inheritance and masculinity along what some have seen
as Darwinian lines.
Susanna Ryan
Department of English
University of Michigan
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:15:07 -0500
From: Gabrielle Ceraldi <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Are there any anti-Ritualist novels in the house?
Charles Maurice Davies's _Philip Paternoster_ (1858) offers a comic yet
nonetheless hostile take on Ritualism in the Church of England.
Gabrielle Ceraldi
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:35:51 +0100
From: Chris Willis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Grant Allen's stories
Hi!
There's a complete bibliography of Grant Allen's stories at
http://wwwehlt.flinders.edu.au/english/GA/GAHome.htm
If that doesn't help, try the Grant Allen list at
http://www.onelist.com/community/GrantAllen
- someone there will be able to tell you.
All the best
Chris
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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 08:07:41 +1000
From: Ellen Jordan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Gentlemen in Gaskell
Christine DeVine's point about the debasement of the term "gentleman"
reminds me that "lady" was undergoing the same process from the 1850s on -
with the consequence that many upper middle class women began referring to
themselves as "gentlewomen" to distinguish themselves from the farmers' and
tradesmen's wives and daughters who claimed to be ladies.
This slippage was of course made possible by the two senses in which the
words were used: to denote economic and social position, and to signify
"gentle" manners and morals. The double definition was already there at the
beginning of the century. Elizabeth Bennet uses the first sense when she
tells Lady Catherine that Darcy "is a gentleman; I am a gentleman's
daughter". Yet she had earlier used the second when she cut Darcy to the
heart by telling him he had not behaved in "a gentleman-like manner" in his
first proposal.
Ellen Jordan
University of Newcastle
Australia
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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 21:58:56 +0100
From: Lesley Hall <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Weak Heart
'A physician I consulted recently said that the term nowadays would be
"congestive heart failure."'
Be cautious, be very cautious, about this kind of retrospective diagnosis! I
am sure 'weak heart' covered a _far_ wider spectrum than this, and
_probably_ ( my guess) included what are now considered benign conditions
such as palpitations and occasional syncope - i.e. occasional irregularities
due to stress, fatigue, excitement, etc.
Lesley Hall
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website http://homepages.primex.co.uk/~lesleyah
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