Dear Jim and all,

Let's bat the idea around a bit.  I'm sure we can come up with something
between us.  If Jim looks into the OU contact who else might be interested
in looking at the potential of amending this existing OU course for PCT
management and perhaps couple it with a local clinical governance learning
set to maximise local impact?

The course is T306 and is called "Managing Complexity: a systems approach".
It is aimed at undergraduates. It provides 60 points at level 3 (people who
have done 1st and 2nd year of an undergraduate course. It takes 10 hours a
week for 10 months and gives credits towards an OU degree. Two of such OU
courses = a diploma. The T306 is intended to contribute towards a diploma
of Systems Practice which is 120 credits, 60 at level 2.  Not sure about
the fees.

And RCGP coordination? Tim?

Paul

At 11:59 PM 14/1/02 -0000, you wrote:
>Congratulations Paul - I think that nappy changing must be one of the most
>complex responsive processes around!
>I've not had any new additions to the family recently, but likewise have
>little spare capacity. I do however think that the local learning set / CG
>angle is of great interest and I'd like to do the same down here.
>
>Will look into the OU contact and see how the course, or aspects of it,
>might fit in with our plans. Happy to contribute to a wider network if there
>is the interest. Might Tim W. be interested in RCGP coordination?
>
>Jim
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From:   Complexity and chaos theories applied to primary medical and
>social care [mailto:[log in to unmask]]  On Behalf Of Dr
>Paul Thomas
>Sent:   14 January 2002 19:13
>To:     [log in to unmask]
>Subject:        Re: tufton group meetings - dates/prog
>
>Hi Jim,
>
>The person to contact about this OU course is Jacqueline Eisenstadt (tel
>01908 653 528).  I shall copy this e-mail to her and to Ray Ison (Prof of
>Systems who devised thwe course).  I have seen the course materials and
>believe that it could be the basis of a really relevant leadership course
>for PCT staff. I also have very high respect for Ray Ison and it would be
>great to get his creative mind into our issues about PCT development. It is
>certainly my hope that I can get something going on this theme in my neck
>of the woods, perhaps through the Teaching PCT initiative.  I think that
>Ray's course will need some primary care contextualising and if I can get
>something going I am thinking of complementing it with a local learning set
>and perhaps targetting it at clinical governance in the first instance.  If
>other parts of the country are interested we would do well to coordinate
>and evaluate the whole initiative - anyone interested in taking a lead?  I
>don't mind doing a bit but haven't got much spare capacity.
>
>Paul
>
>p.s. apologies for not calling you first Jacqueline before I gave your
>number out. I've just had my first baby and nappies are being prioritised
>over niceties at the moment!  This relates to your T306 course that I think
>has great potential for adaptation to primary care trusts.  I mentioned
>this in an e-mail to this list of people interested in complexity from
>throughout the UK primary care.
>
>At 04:36 PM 13/1/02 -0000, you wrote:
>>Paul
>>
>>Do you   have any other details of this course? - it sounds very relevant
>to
>>the many PCT leadership development courses that will be starting for new
>>PCT staff / leaders this year, and your idea of incorporating a complexity
>>course into a local development programme (if that's what you meant) sounds
>>exciting.
>>
>>Best wishes
>>
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>
>>Dr Jim Price
>>Senior Lecturer in Primary Care
>>University of Brighton
>>Falmer
>>Brighton
>>BN1 9PH
>>Surgery 01243 782819
>>Mobile    07808 582372
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>From:   Complexity and chaos theories applied to primary medical and
>>social care [mailto:[log in to unmask]]  On Behalf Of
>Dr
>>Paul Thomas
>>Sent:   11 January 2002 12:47
>>To:     [log in to unmask]
>>Subject:        Re: tufton group meetings - dates/prog
>>
>>Prof Ray Ison from the Open University has operated a distance learning
>>package called - managing complexity, a systems approach. It's been going I
>>think for over 10 years and thousands of students have taken the course.
>>It crossed my mind to convert this into a PCT management course - you may
>>want to consider this Hugh.
>>
>>Paul
>>
>>
>>At 12:21 AM 4/1/02 -0000, Hugh Reeve wrote:
>>>Sorry can't make revised date in March
>>>Hope to make June date
>>>Am about to embark on introducing an approach to service improvement
>within
>>>our PCT which draws significantly on my patchy but growing understanding
>of
>>>complexity.  Will try to remember to update the group via this discussion
>>>group.  This will help me to reflect on progress.  At the Novemeber
>meeting
>>>my plan was to concentrate on the diabetes project we are about to start -
>>>this is likely to be a bit behind the general approach to service
>>>improvement but I'll report on progress here when things start to get
>>>underway.
>>>Hugh Reeve
>>>Morecambe Bay PCT
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: F E Griffiths <[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 12:33 PM
>>>Subject: tufton group meetings - dates/prog
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dear All
>>>> I can now confirm the dates of the next two Tufton groups both of
>>>> which will be held in the University of Warwick London Office, 11
>>>> Tufton St, Westminster, London
>>>>
>>>> Thursday 14th March 2002
>>>> Tuesday 25th June 2002
>>>>
>>>> I also attatch an updated version of the programme for the March
>>>> 2002 meeting where you will see the formal presentation slots have
>>>> been filled. Please feed back on the organisation of the co-
>>>> operative enquiry groups. Anyone wanting to update on research or
>>>> other issues related to complexity and primary care (final slot of
>>>> day) please let me know.
>>>>
>>>> All good wishes
>>>> Frances
>>>> Dr Frances Griffiths
>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>> Centre for Primary Health Care Studies
>>>> University of Warwick
>>>> Coventry
>>>> CV4 7AL
>>>> UK
>>>> Tel: +44 (0)24 7652 2534
>>>> Fax: +44 (0)24 7652 8375
>>>> Reception: +44 (0)24 7657 2950
>>>> Web page:www.warwick.ac.uk/Primary_Care/
>>>>
>>>
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