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Re: Exeter

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Stuart Hall <[log in to unmask]>

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Complexity and chaos theories applied to primary medical and social care <[log in to unmask]>

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Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:58:08 +0100

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Chris

Good questions. For me the objective of science is to study the casual root
of any particular phenomena, so it can be applied in an unrelated sphere. I
believe this is true of social movement theory, which does not at its root
depend of movement from below, it requires interaction between change
promoters and subjects, a model equally applicable to the NHS.

Stuart

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Burton [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 20 September 2002 21:18
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Exeter


Stuart

fair enough but wasn't Helen Bevan advocating that the NHS stir up the
social movement among its own members. To whom do you think your historical
quote "We have no plan, we have no program, we ask the people what to do."
applies now?

As far as I am aware the civil rights activists campaigned because they were
fed up with their lot, not because the government at the top told them to.

I am aware that there is a tradition in American politics of attempting to
destabilise those with unacceptable views or behaviour by inciting
grassroots change. Such work has traditionally been undertaken by "The
Agency", although usually on someone else's turf.

Chris

--
Chris Burton, [log in to unmask] on 20/09/2002


On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:49:49 +0100, Stuart Hall wrote:
>I didn't get chance to say my little anecdote on social movements (I
>really liked the application of social movement theory in NHS
>modernisation by the way) yesterday so...
>
>When the Student National Co-ordinatory Committee (SNCC, or
>pronounced 'snicc') in the early 1960s attempted to mobilize black
>people in the American southern states as part of voter registration
>drives they faced considerable white resistance. Asked how SNCC
>organised to deal with this complex context one activist explained:
>"We have no plan, we have no program, we ask the people what to do."
>This quote from a history of that time came to mind when I chanced
>to meet Julian Bond, a key civil rights activist in 1998, and so I
>asked him what his views were of it as an explanation. He replied:
>"That's just because we really didn't have a plan."
>
>Regards
>
>Stuart G. Hall www.m-power.org.uk (personal site) www.hda-
>online.org.uk (corporate site)
>
>
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