> Pete Greene might stick his neck out to say he rates Mike Haslam too but
there
> again he (Pete) lives in Canada now, but what is noticeable is the lack of
> interest in discussing such. Except Prynne.

Whoops. By Greene I meant of course Smith. A little blip that, as I've been
reading a lot of Elizabethan material lately, so for sure at that point
something challenged my Groatsworth of Wit.

Best

Dave



David Bircumshaw

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----- Original Message -----
From: "david.bircumshaw" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: future of the list


> > but if
> > the hardcore discussion lifts and moves elsewhere, for the perfectly
> > understandable reason that there are too many people shouting to
> > conduct a conversation, then it has a cumulative affect - the less
> > discussion there is, the less there is,
>
> Spot on, Alison. It is not just a matter of bad vibes on this list, but
that
> there is a lack of the 'positive' (grr, how I hate that word) in respect
of
> its core concerns. If people have gone elsewhere then they have turned
their
> backs on this list and they are as much at fault in that as the
'wreckers'.
> You do not save something by abandoning it. One thing I repeatedly notice
is
> the paucity of discussion of the core concerns from the complainants of
its
> absence. Britain has long been afflicted with secrecy as a disease, that
> people here might be succumbing to the disease of behind doors is all too
> typical of this culture. Every so often I make feeble efforts to talk
about
> British poets I like, feeble because I don't expect much response, Pete
> Greene might stick his neck out to say he rates Mike Haslam too but there
> again he (Pete) lives in Canada now, but what is noticeable is the lack of
> interest in discussing such. Except Prynne.
>
> Anthologies are a different matter. Shoals seem to be acceptable.
>
> I have a suspicion too that part of the problem is, in psychological
terms,
> the absent father. When Ric ran this list he usually only had to make a
mild
> rebuke for the steam to simmer down. Not that I agree with his current
> lurker/jeremiah pose. I'd like to see Ric saying about stuff he likes,
after
> all, he did co-edit in 'Other' one of the best anthologies in yonks. So,
> what about some talk about those poets that Alison, a writer in Melbourne,
> remember, mentions. People I'd like to flag myself, and even try to at
> times?
>
> Best
>
> Dave
>
>
> David Bircumshaw
>
> Leicester, England
>
> Home Page
>
> A Chide's Alphabet
>
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>
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alison Croggon" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: "david.bircumshaw" <[log in to unmask]>
> Cc: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 9:51 PM
> Subject: Re: future of the list
>
>
> > At 5:02 PM +0000 18/1/2002, david.bircumshaw wrote:
> > >Is it perhaps part of the particular set of problems that this list has
> been
> > >experiencing that its declared foci, innovative poetry in Britain and
> > >Ireland, are not at present strong enough to maintain sustained debate?
> So
> > >that into the void, nature, as we are told, abhorring a vacuum, a
> yahooligan
> > >crowd of beastly matters, like politics, invades. The crowd falling to
> > >discontent as there's nothing on the pitch?
> >
> > That could be part of it.  Not in terms of _btirish poetry_ as such,
> > since there's plenty to discuss there, even in general terms, but if
> > the hardcore discussion lifts and moves elsewhere, for the perfectly
> > understandable reason that there are too many people shouting to
> > conduct a conversation, then it has a cumulative affect - the less
> > discussion there is, the less there is, and people (me included, of
> > course) forget what they're supposed to be talking about.
> >
> > And, true, there have been a number of different names bowled into
> > discussion in the past few days - among them Mike Haslam, Alan
> > Halsey, Maggie O'Sullivan, Peter Riley, Denise Riley, Aaron
> > Williamson, Douglas Oliver and Geraldine Monk - and the only ball to
> > come back has been Prynne, so there may be something in David's point.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Alison
> > --
> >
> >
> > Alison Croggon
> >
> > Home page
> > http://www.users.bigpond.com/acroggon/
> > Masthead
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> >
>