medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
Tom Izbicki <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>How are these things determined?
good question.
>Long-standing cult?
certainly necessary, but hardly sufficient.
>Some decree,
issued by whom?
when?
>...lists neither Dennis or Martin. Instead she lists Joan of Arc, Therese of
Lisieux & Our Lady of the Assumption. Allowing for change over time, do some
patrons fall out of favor or get set aside?
i don't believe that i've ever heard of Martin as "patron" of France --which
doesn't mean anything, obviously.
surely the whole question of a patron of "France" must be a very late notion,
indeed, since the entity in question is just that.
comment a dire "patron of France" in medieval latin?
Joan, Threse, etc. all smack of 19th c. investments, to me (corrections
welcome).
perhaps recent scholarship has modified/revised the view that Denis owed his
special place to his association/exploitation by the monarchy --from the time
of the Merovingians, but esp. under the Carolingians and, most especially, by
the middle Capetians, the great boost being given by Suger (how does he speak
of Denis viz-a-viz the "realm," specifically? i can't recall).
i'd be surprised to find that the concept was explicitly stated --in any
country-- in the early or high middle ages, and belongs instead to early
modern times, at the earliest. which is not to say that specific monarchs in
specific countries over time did not have and patronize (as it were) specific
saints and use/exploit their popularity and prestige to their own ends.
eventually, someone came up with the term "Patron of X."
just idle thoughts, obviously.
>i would be particularly interested in any examples concerning Sta. Barbara!
well, that's easy: Santa Barbara is the Patron Saint of California.
best from here,
christopher
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