Peter Abbadine's ([log in to unmask] ) posting in support of the
genuineness of the report of the Alderley find seems to me to have rather
missed the actual points being made.
It is impossible to determine "whether the gold bars are really gold or
fakes" on the basis of the scant information presented in the website alone.
All that glitters is not gold and I would be very surprised to find
professional gold dealers who would be willing to assay gold on the basis of
a photograph and an unconfirmed statement of weight !
The density argument does not convince me. I have no doubt that there are a
number of places in the literature where (if one wanted to create such a
hoax) one can find the composition and densities of different alloys of
gold. Such information is of interest to prospectors, jewellers,
numismatists, art historians etc (see for example Oddy's work done on the
density of gold alloys for dating the Sutton Hoo coins where such
information is presented). What is nowhere stated on the website however -
if I correctly recall - is the precise thickness of the bars and it is
obvious that they are both irregular in shape and tapering in section. I am
very surprised to hear "Cookson PLC bullion dealers London UK and Kitco
corporation Gold Alloys Canada" being quoted as making firm statements about
the "correctness" of the weights quoted in the website, or indeed the
relevance of this statement to the question in hand. Whether or not the
metal proportions in the quoted alloys on the website are "just under 18
carat gold" or "14 carat gold" is thus totally irrelevant in the absence of
proof that these are the results of real anayses of real objects conducted
by a reliable or reputable assayer/analyst. The point that was being made in
the previous postings is how these quantitative results were obtained in the
first place. We do not have this information.
The photos on the website could equally be of brass bars and the additional
invented details concerning the analyses and weights added "to add artistic
verisimilitude to an otherwise unconvincing narrative".
The information given by Mr Abbadine about the inquest held in 1993 about
the finding of "a gold bar in Artists Lane Alderley" is welcome even if a
trifle enigmatic. Nevertheless it does not resolve the problem of the
similarity of the bar which was the subject of this inquest (not illustrated
on the website) and those that were later said to have been recovered from
the vicinity. Mr Abbadine says that he has information that there were
"archeologists from the British Museum, Manchester University and Cheshire
County Council" present at the inquest" [but wasn't it Manchester MUSEUM
which was cited in a previous posting??]. Unfortunately we are not given
names. It would be helpful to hear the opinions of these persons on the
For archaeologists however it is not the pretty objects which are the object
of study in themselves, but primarily their context. What is at issue here
is the context of the discovery (or alleged discovery) of these items which
remains unclear and certain evidence seems to suggest to be a concocted or
at best highly muddled story. Nobody has contacted me or the list to say
they have seen these objects and their present whereabouts is not stated.
I am afraid I remain totally unconvinced by Mr Abbadine's letter.
----- Original Message -----
From: peter abbadine <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 12:07 PM
Subject: Alderley gold ,is correct
> In the postings to the BRITARCH list in MARCH 2001 regarding
> The finding of gold bars at Alderley Edge Cheshire, it was stated
> That the site on the www was a hoax and that the gold bars
> Were fake maybe made out of modelling clay.
> The site is
> HYPERLINK "http://www.geocities.com/athens/troy/6253"
> I decided to check out the information given in the site was it true
> Are the gold bars shown really gold or fakes.
> I asked two companies to look at the site, are the bars gold or fake
> The companies are Cookson PLC bullion dealers London UK
> And Kitco corporation Gold Alloys Canada.
> They stated that the weights and ratio of gold to weight and size of the
> bars shown
> Is correct for the bars being gold alloy.
> Are the gold alloys of modern production?
> No the alloys stated are just under 18 carat gold and in the UK can only
> Be hallmarked as 14 carat gold, therefore not modern commercial gold
> Alloys for say jewelry making.
> It states at the site that a Treasure Trove inquest was held into
> The find of Bar No1 at Congleton Cheshire UK 1993….is this true.
> On February 26 1993 there were two inquest held at congleton. The first
> The finding of silver coins in a field near congleton, the coins were
> English Civil War
> Value £100,000 .
> The second inqust was the finding of a gold bar in Artists Lane Alderley,
> the inquest
> Were archeologists from the British Museum, Manchester University, and
> Cheshire County Council the Landowners where the bar was found.
> Peter Abbadine
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