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FW: IFA AMNESTY

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Joseph Elders <[log in to unmask]>

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British archaeology discussion list <[log in to unmask]>

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Fri, 6 Apr 2001 16:03:38 +0100

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Elders 
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 4:03 PM
> To:   [log in to unmask]
> Subject:      RE: IFA AMNESTY
> 
> Of course not, but they claim to be arbiters of standards, and the point
> is that IFA membership is no guarantee of quality, as they do not even
> check the work of people who claim to work to their standards. So what is
> the point? I would not feel that going to an IFA disciplinary committe was
> any use, as the people and organisations I would be complaining about are
> well represented there. 
> 
> I have actually threatened people with reporting them to the IFA, and it
> might have had some effect I guess, although I suspect they recognised
> that I was firing blanks. I would respect the IFA if they hauled one or
> two operators publicly over the coals, even if this meant litigation. Why
> not? What are they there for?  This will not happen, so they should stop
> pontificating and sending out papers about professional standards and
> conduct, and employers should stop insisting on membership of this body.
> They should disband and re-form, make a completely fresh start, with a
> clear mandate and realistic goals, and much, much lower fees and
> simplified membership structures. The whole thing grew ad hoc and has
> become a bit of a monster, and a fresh start might allow us to have the
> IBA (Institute of British Archaeologists) that we really, really want.
> 
> Or maybe I am just expecting too much for 140/200 or whatever a month.
> 
>       -----Original Message-----
>       From:   Hal Dalwood [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
>       Sent:   Friday, April 06, 2001 4:43 PM
>       To:	
>       Subject:        Re: IFA AMNESTY
> 
>       Joseph Elders wrote
> 
>       >Yep, but it gets very wearying, and time is tight. Oh for a
>       >competent Institute to fight these battles for me.
> 
>       This followed a discussion in which he said:
> 
>       > As a curator,
>       > I see reports of staggeringly low quality from these outfits with
>       >the magic words "all work adhered to the guidelines of the
>       >Institute of Field Archaeologists". Presumably the IFA checks
>       >the work of the units they give
>       > this status to?  If they don't, well thats not very good is it,
> and if
>       > they do, why do they allow such shoddy work to pass?
> 
>       And Jenny Vaughan said:
> 
>       > This is the point I was trying to make. Do you, are you able to,
> reject
>       > these reports of low quality?
> 
>       To which my response is, surely Joseph Elders and Jenny
>       Vaughan doesn't expect the IFA to read and comment on every
>       report produced by every IFA Registered Archaeological
>       Organisation? The job of monitoring belongs to archaeological
>       resource managers. If the work of an RAO is really falls below the
>       IFA standard for that type of project, then the IFA could be called
>       in to mediate or if necessary discipline...  Would anyone wish the
>       IFA to become involved in archaeological "battles" when none of
>       the archaeologists professionally involved ask them to intervene?
> 
>       Hal
> 
> 
>       Hal Dalwood
>       Worcestershire County Archaeological Service,
>       Woodbury Hall, University College Worcester,
>       Henwick Grove, Worcester WR2 6AJ
> 
>       Tel 01905 855456
>       Fax 01905 855035
>       E-mail [log in to unmask]

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