The Dominican rite was alive and well until sometime after Vatican II
(sigh), but on the other hand, glossing Prof. Martin's comment, the
Dominicans seem in the forefront of conservative renewal (if such an
oxymoron is possible); one of the most beautiful masses, bar none, I have
attended was a few years ago at St Mary's on Hillside Ave in New Haven Conn.
It was the Mass of Vatican II done in Latin with full Gregorian propers
(with the common chants sung by the congregation as well as the schola). It
convinced this skeptic that the Vatican II liturgy when done with devotion,
taste and careful preparation can be as impressive as anything out of the
middle ages or Trent.
jw
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From: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Canning
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 7:17 AM
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Subject: Re: "Tridentine" & "Triduum"
Not total uniformity of liturgy. Some rites existed post Trent,
some still do.
The orders with a pre Tridentine rite of their own for 200 years
could keep it. Some still exist (e.g. Carthusian) some disappeared
(e.g. Dominican). I understand there is interest amongst the
Dominicans to restore their rite.
Some local rites also persist notably the various Eastern rites and
the Ambrosian (Milanese)
Interestingly the Dominican church in Newcastle has a weekly
Tridentine mass, although it would not have been the pre Vatican II
rite there!
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From: Dennis Martin [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 1:49 PM
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Subject: Re: "Tridentine" & "Triduum"
Tridentine comes from the Latin form of Trent/Trient, i.e., the
Council of Trent, 1545-1563. The "tridentine Church" or "rite" is
an informal use of the Council of Trent's legislation to demarcate
the early modern and modern character of the Catholic Church, when
international uniformity (e.g., in liturgy) corresponded to the
rise of natiionalism and the resultant pressure for national (i.e.,
no longer catholic, meaning universal).
Triduum means "three days" and refers to the holiest time of the
Christian year, from Holy Thursday through Easter Sunday.
Dennis Martin
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Hail numerology afficionados. I have a pair of questions related to the
number 3, viz.,
I have seen references in a number of messages in this list to "Tridentine"
(e.g., the "post-Tridentine church", the "pre-Tridentine world," &c. Also
to the "Triduum" (the latter in the context of the liturgical calendar,
esp. Passover, Easter and the Annunciation). These are both terms beyond
my ken, and none of my sources, alas, explain their meaning. Would some
kind soul(s) enlighten me?
--Christopher
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