Hi,

My experience of VRVS is also very positive. Of course people can still
transmit with microphones turned up too high etc. VRVS also supports
connections with H.323 so sounds like a decent migration path. Are the PPNCG
recommendations up to date - they are dated November 1999 which suggests
that they are not. One obvious deficiency is that they assume a world of
Windows which looked feasible at that time.

Steve


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Weidberg" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: Netmeeting


> Sine I got the flood of messages about how bad Netmeeting is, I would like
> to ask if you have used the CERN VRVS system. Its free and in my
experience
> works quite well (at least for conferences within Europe).
>
> Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Newbold [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 9:13 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Netmeeting
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Comments from a total non-expert:
>
> I'm certainly not wedded to Netmeeing, but surely there must be an
> alternative software-based solution that *works*? In desperation on
> Friday afternoon, I tried to install the openh323 freeware client. This
> also failed to do anything useful, possibly because I wasn't reading the
> rather sparse documentation properly.
>
> However, I did notice from the openh323 web site that there are a bunch
> of fairly cheap (sub-$100) software-based tools out there (e.g. the
> CUseeme client). Has anyone tried any of these low-cost clients? Do they
> work with the MCUs? I am quite willing to shell out $100 to avoid
> causing problems like those on Friday - worth a try?
>
> Cheers,
>
>   Dave
>
>
> John Macallister wrote:
> >
> > I hope the meeting went well after the Netmeeting users disconnected.
> >
> > As Netmeeting comes as a standard facility on Windows PCs those PCs can
be
> > upgraded to full video conferencing functionality for a relatively small
> > outlay. This is the most likely route to give a large number of people
VC
> > capability (and many people have already done that) from their desktops
> and
> > this must surely be the way forward i.e. VC on each desktop (not
> necessarily
> > Netmeeting). The Zydacron,etc solution does provide a reasonable
> alternative
> > to an ISDN suite but larger institutions would require possibly 4-6
> systems
> > to ensure access when required especially as VC has become such a
popular
> > mode for conducting meetings. Here today for example there were at least
> > four VC sessions under way in Particle Physics.
> >
> > I don't believe we should reject Netmeeting simply because problems have
> > been discovered,etc. We should try to understand what the problem is
with
> > the MCU and if there's an fix/upgrade which would permit Netmeeting to
> > participate in multipoint VCs without disrupting other users. There may
> also
> > be another method of connecting a group of Netmeeting users to an "open"
> > H323 VC.
> >
> > What are the software/hardware details of the UCL MCU?
> >
> > John
> >
> > Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: [log in to unmask]
> > Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UK
> > Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)
>